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I found a backdoor into my bed

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Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by vlachen »

flanbiscuit wrote: post #248
jimt1234 wrote: post #223

> For someone who suffers from insomnia this seemed worth a shot. I can relate, having suffered the same for most of my life. One thing that really helped me was a simple white noise machine, typically used to help babies sleep. Good: I sleep great with it. Also, it's not connected to the internet and doesn't require an app. Bad: I basically can't sleep without it. I have to travel with it (camping!). I even purchase…

I also need white noise to sleep. At home I have a simple one that plugs in and generates noise with fan. Looks almost exactly like this: https://res.cloudinary.com/guest-supply/image/upload/f_auto,... When I travel I take this small portable rechargeable one: https://www.amazon.com/Machine-Babelio-Adults-Non-looping-So... I'm on android so I don't have the built in sounds that iOS has

I use the mynoise.net android app. They changed it a few years ago, not for the better, but it is still servicable.

https://mynoise.net/

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Post by nottorp »

papichulo4 wrote: post #281
wedn3sday wrote: post #66

A $20/month bed subscription is objectively hilarious. I cant imagine how this company attracts a non-zero number of clients.

Disclaimer: I own one. TL;DR: What can you give me for ~$70/mo (amortized over 5 years including bed) that makes my sleep better without me having to do anything or put anything in my body? Think of the alternatives I have: Sleeping pills. Sleep studies. Benzos. "Supplements." Weight loss. Working out. Sleeping hygiene routines. FWIW, I've done/do all of these. They work, and they are work. Sleep is more important to…

> Weight loss. Working out.

Well, working out will help with weight loss and will have a lot of other beneficial effects in the long run.

> FWIW, I've done/do all of these. They work, and they are work.

But you already know that.

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Post by deepsquirrelnet »

nrki wrote: post #40

Love the part about the CEO being a Musk sycophant. Right down to the similar language in tweets: "Some of SF got poor sleep. We must fix this."

> While the Eight Sleep CEO Matteo seems focused on providing DOGE with great sleep, the real doge (pictured above), whose name is Latte, is sleeping great tonight.

It’s better than that. He’s putting in backdoors where they sleep. I’m sure there’s a market for that data.

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Post by noisy_boy »

TheGRS wrote: post #98

> In the end, I got enough of the cyber ick, I decided to seek a simpler, less internet-connected solution to my temperature-controlled bed needs. Great line. And my eyes bugged out a little at this part as I also realized what the implications were: > - They can know when you sleep > - They can detect when there are 2 people sleeping in the bed instead of 1 > - They can know when it’s night, and no people are in the…

> And my eyes bugged out a little at this part as I also realized what the implications were

What if they have a ton of sensors which relay enough information to re-construct a 3D mesh of activity on the bed that they can remotely view? And their more curious less ethical employees give nicknames to particularly "active" or "interesting" users? And start placing bets on their favorites? And start connecting the dots on who is sleeping with whom?

More seriously, this is just a data collection mechanism to learn about user habits that can be sold to other companies and/or use to start new lines of business.

Anything that sends back data, without your clear and expression agreement, isn't sending it to help you.

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Post by hinkley »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #293
hinkley wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If smart devices were required to have standard pinouts that were arduino or raspberry Pi compatible, that would make me so happy.

Plenty of those have just standard ESP8266 modules inside that you can program yourself, even with Arduino IDE if you want.

That's good to know but if it's a custom board and it gets fried by soapy water getting in or a decade of humidity, it would still be good if the pinout was something that a new device could be programmed and dropped into to replace.

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Post by noisy_boy »

> There’s some zip ties securing the tubes you have to cut, but other than that, it’s a totally reversible, non-destructive process that takes 30 seconds.

Wait until Eight Sleep "upgrades" the connectors to be "incompatible" with Aquarium chillers.

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Post by bmicraft »

jjice wrote: post #6
EvanAnderson wrote: post #3

The state of the product's security wasn't unexpected. I was, however, shocked by this part: > I was willing to overlook: > The bed costs $2,000 > It won’t function if the internet goes down > Basic features are behind an additional $19/mo subscription > The bed’s only controls are via mobile app Nothing about this bed should depend on off-site servers. Nothing about the product should necessitate a subscription fee.…

I've heard the sleep people get with this is excellent, but no way in hell am I paying a subscription and requiring an internet connection for my bed. The entire concept is just absurd. If it sells, it sells, I guess.

The entire "computer" should probably be replaced by an esp32. Upside being that you could flash an esphome config and be free of The Cloud
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