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Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by fzeroracer »

scarab92 wrote: post #291
notahacker wrote: post #282

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There's nothing inconsistent with people who don't call themselves "free speech absolutists" not being free speech absolutists. There's a lot inconsistent with someone masquerading as a "free speech absolutist" whilst actually drawing the line in a different place, in this case a place which has all sorts of arbitrary new offences like references to the word "cis", ADS-B feeds, and parody accounts and whatever else h…

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Elon Musk literally said he's a free speech absolutist multiple times.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by simiones »

scarab92 wrote: post #249
BSDobelix wrote: post #205

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>So are we seeing full free speech in action? Even free speech has its limits...for example calling for the extermination of a race. >Or is whats right decided by which side people agree with? Correct, most of the time it is, and that is exactly why laws (esp. international ones) exist and Justitia is/should be blind.

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The right view is, if you want to put it simplistically like this:

Progressives: Elon doesn't care about free speech, he cares about limiting the speech of progressives in favor of the extreme right

Also progressives: Free speech should have limits to protect minorities from aggressors

Nothing at all inconsistent about these two positions, regardless of whether you think that either one is a good idea, or even true.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by DrDeadCrash »

hug wrote: post #289
BluSyn wrote: post #255

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Do all these commenters believe this nonsense? The conspiracy thinking has reached new peaks. Hard to take concerns of free speech seriously from people promoting platforms that routinely “moderate” any dissenting opinions (HN included). Our ability for collective sense making seems to be permanently destroyed. Two people who seem to agree on everything point-by-point then reach different conclusions on the final ste…

How do you mean do we "believe this nonsense"? I don't use twitter regularly, but I have two accounts for reasons . I just signed in, I typed out a (fake) signal URL, and... posting was blocked. It doesn't appear to be nonsense, it appears to be entirely true that any tweet with "signal.me" in it is blocked. Occam's razor says they're blocking Signal. Hanlon's razor says they're just idiots. Either way: An important…

I think they're saying to give the benefit of the doubt (ex. maybe it's a glitch), without realizing many of us have no more leeway to give due to the continuing onslaught of criminal behavior from musk/Trump which we'll all have to pay for in the future and is now giving our enemies reason to celebrate.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by DrScientist »

pjc50 wrote: post #227
DrScientist wrote: post #135

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The point is that social media was used by people to connect and organise which led to the overthrow of a number of dictators/military junta. What has happened since is the old order has mostly reasserted itself - with a clamp down on social media, and mechanisms put in place to cut access if things get too fiesty. Take Egypt - they kicked out a miltary juntu - forced elections - then the 'wrong' people won the elect…

The Egyptian case was so sad: the first elections run elected Islamists, who failed to make a pluralist democracy stick (which was what the Twitter protestors largely wanted!) and instead ended up running similar levels of repression but with a Muslim flavour.

I think it's complex - being elected to a head of state that was previously rife with corruption is a very difficult job, not made easier by the previous regime and their foreign friends trying ( and succeeding ) to reverse the revolution.

In the end I think it's easiest to stick to the facts - which is the elected PM was overthrown by the military and sentenced to death, and eventually died in prison.

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Post by SiliconSplash »

BSDobelix wrote: post #279
alt227 wrote: post #240

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> Even free speech has its limits It doesnt though, thats the point. Its the same as competition in a capitalist marketplace. A company can sell terrible products and what should happen is people see they are terrible products and vote with their wallet to stop buying. Then the company goes out of business. With free speech if somebody is saying something that other people think is terrible, they should stop listenin…

>It doesnt though, thats the point. Not a Lawyer, but threatening to kill someone is not protected by free speech right? >They keep listening to the hate speech The definition of "hate speech" is unclear and a made-up word to make people feel bad for being angry -> Two Minutes Hate >>The political purpose of the Two Minutes Hate is to allow the citizens of Oceania to vent their existential anguish and personal hatred…

> Not a Lawyer, but threatening to kill someone is not protected by free speech right?

It depends on context. The legal test is called the "Imminent Lawless Action" Test in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio#Brandenbur...

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Post by flanked-evergl »

buyucu wrote: post #252
flanked-evergl wrote: post #194

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No he is not.

he controls the US government right now through DOGE.

If that was the case, that would definitely mean he is not a state actor, which is defined as «An entity that is a part of, or which operates licitly or semi-licitly on behalf or in service of, a government agency.».

The only way you can claim he is a state actor if you think he acts, in his management of X, on behalf of the US state, a claim which would be entirely laughable even to partisans.

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Post by flanked-evergl »

rsynnott wrote: post #241
flanked-evergl wrote: post #194

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No he is not.

... In what way is he not? He is de facto if not de jure more or less in charge of the US government.

If that was the case, that would definitely mean he is not a state actor, which is defined as «An entity that is a part of, or which operates licitly or semi-licitly on behalf or in service of, a government agency.».

The only way you can claim he is a state actor if you think he acts, in his management of X, on behalf of the US state, a claim which would be entirely laughable even to partisans.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by McDyver »

decimalenough wrote: post #4

Remember the Arab Spring and how Twitter was hailed as a tool for the masses to fight against their oppressors? And remember how Elon bought Twitter, loudly proclaiming he was doing so to defend free speech? I'm mildly curious to see how X tries to justify this, but I suspect they've reached the stage where they don't even need to pretend to pay lip service to their notional values.

> [...] Twitter [...]

X is not Twitter.

Twitter was a tool for free speech. X is a tool for Nazi propaganda.

I think people still haven't come to terms with that.

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Post by coldblues »

axegon_ wrote: post #268
coldblues wrote: post #231

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Feds can request info from Telegram. Additionally, Telegram has evolved past a simple messenger application. A massive amount of projects, most of them being crypto projects, use Telegram as their primary method of communication and announcements. It is also a very popular messenger in India and parts of Europe. They can block Signal because they can get away with it. If it means banning a bunch of CSAM traders and d…

Are you seriously this delusional? All other messengers offer e2e encryption in one form or another and the "feds" can't request shit. The only difference is that signal does it out of the box, instead of being buried 20 layers deep in menus and unlike the other messengers(including telegram) is not false advertising and is a crime in the civilized world under data protection laws. So much for free speech(which btw i…

What I've said is from the perspective of a hypothetical moderation team at Twitter that has enacted this change, a change that will most likely be reversed, and was probably a mistake. Additionally, you are breaking the site's guidelines. This comment thread has very little to do with Elon Musk, please direct your rage somewhere else.

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Post by bhouston »

Y_Y wrote: post #172
xzjis wrote: post #126

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"Freedom of speech" on Twitter is nothing more than Newspeak for censorship. In reality, the goal has always been to silence minorities who already struggle to express themselves, while allowing hate, racist, homophobic, and transphobic language to run rampant. It is a form of indirect censorship, through the self-censorship of minorities who fear speaking out. Then comes direct censorship, where certain terms or lin…

Aren't racists a minority who struggle to express themselves? How did you come to these conclusions about the goals and future of Twitter? My naive expectation was that Musk is mostly interested in enriching and aggrandizing himself, and that a crusade against some social group is only interesting as long as it serves the primary interests.

> that a crusade against some social group is only interesting as long as it serves the primary interests.

This is clearly not true. X represents Elon’s politics. Best example: Elon has X officially blocked any usage of the term cis as part of his crusade against his trans daughter - and I don’t say that lightly, he was not anti trans until she came out.

https://www.fastcompany.com/91126082/elon-musk-x-cisgender-c...

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