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Post by AlecSchueler »

Jtsummers wrote: post #166
beardyw wrote: post #157

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It is way worse than than that. If it all falls apart, the worst for Trump is to lose an election and retire to Florida. He has no real stake in any of this. The king is the king and the only way out is abdication, passing the problem to his own family. I am so very happy we have a monarchy. I used to be against it, but the fact that no one person can wreak this kind of havoc is fantastic. And of course the king has…

> If it all falls apart, the worst for Trump is to lose an election and retire to Florida. He doesn't have another election to lose. He gets 4 years (less a few weeks now) and then gets to retire from being POTUS. There are few consequences for him this term. For the Republicans, on the other hand, if DOGE and their trade wars and other things fail, they could be fucked for a decade or more trying to rebrand themselv…

You're assuming there will be an election in four years which is contrary to his campaign promises.

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Post by Sebguer »

lenerdenator wrote: post #215
Sebguer wrote: post #22

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It's fronted by Cloudflare, so not sure how someone would assess that, or why it wouldn't be on US soil (or why that would matter).

Because generally speaking, it's not a good idea to have machines with possible links to sensitive government data not under the jurisdiction of the government that owns that data.

https://xkcd.com/932/

(Don't get me wrong, I think the existence of DOGE is a farce, but this website is literally just a blog... It's not hosting secrets, and getting caught up in conspiracy theories of it being 'hosted offshore' is missing the forest for the trees)

Edit: After reading https://www.404media.co/anyone-can-push-updates-to-the-doge-... (which lol, what competence!) it sounds like the 'not on american soil' is bowdlerized from the fact that they're running on Cloudflare pages so there isn't a 'server'.

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Post by lupusreal »

mostlysimilar wrote: post #222
lupusreal wrote: post #217

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No no, its monarchism. Doing what his supporters voted for makes Trump a king.

You don't get to vote to break laws. You can vote to change or remove laws, but that is not what is happening here.

You don't think people should be able to vote to break laws, but objectively, people can vote for literally any reason they please. There are no laws regulating how voters choose to vote, nor could there be.

I never voted for Trump, but I did vote for my state to defy federal cannabis laws. Guess what, my vote to shit on federal laws was legal.

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Post by dialup_sounds »

slt2021 wrote: post #292
dialup_sounds wrote: post #283

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You're confusing FEMA's $20 billion disaster relief appropriation and the completely separate $650 funding for the Customs & Border Patrol's Shelter and Services Program.

Shelter and Services Program is financed by the FEMA, as well as Emergency food and shelter which in total spent roughly $1,000,000,000 of taxpayer money per year, while US citizens in Western NC were given $750 for losing their homes 1. https://www.fema.gov/grants/shelter-services-program#totals 2. https://www.fema.gov/grants/emergency-food-and-shelter-program

It appears as though you've misunderstood some things.

Disaster relief and SSP are two separate appropriations by Congress. They are not "financed by FEMA", they're budgets directed by Congress and signed into law by the President.

The federal government has (in one form or another) been reimbursing state and local governments (and NGOs) for housing migrants released from federal custody since President Trump signed the "Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for Humanitarian Assistance and Security at the Southern Border Act, 2019". This did not deprive FEMA of disaster relief funds.

Secondly, SSP replaced EFSP-H. You appear to have added the budget of SSP for FY24 and EFSP-H for FY23 together to conclude "a billion per year" but that's rounding up by several hundred million dollars.

To put this in perspective, the House budget plan released yesterday expects to increase the DHS budget by 90 billion dollars of taxpayer money next year.

Thirdly, the $750 is not "for losing their homes". It's literal emergency money. It's the first thing you get when applying for FEMA assistance, not the entirety of assistance you can receive, which for housing alone is upwards of $30,000. (See Also:https://www.fema.gov/node/rumor-serious-needs-assistance)

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Post by lupusreal »

lavezzi wrote: post #266
lupusreal wrote: post #247

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There's a word for people who start shooting when they don't like the outcome of an election: insurrectionists.

I know you were trying to be smart here, but this isn't about debating the outcome of the election, that transition was already handled in a peaceful manner.

So what is he saying the second ammendment is for?

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Post by johneth »

Otter-man wrote: post #298
ketlag wrote: post #70

Why does everything D0G3 get flagged?

every day a dozen critical of Musk/DOGE discussions land on HN main, and zero non-critical/positive ones it is an illusion of being surrounded by brigades of conservatives censoring you, if anything - the opposite is true when I tried submitting a positive take on recent happenings in DC - my own post was flagged withing 5 minutes, and I was chastised for posting a link to nazi platform (it was a link to X longpost)

It is a nazi platform, in that it's owned and controlled by a nazi.

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Post by intended »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #295
intended wrote: post #258

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How you frame a problem, determines what solution you are going to find. I went over many assumptions after the elections, to understand what I had missed. But things changed when I asked a different question. Its not a question of how Harris lost. Its a question of how Trump ran in the first place. With that change, things clicked into place.

Do please share your conclusions with the rest of us?

I'm more curious what questions or potential different issues people can see if they start from this point.

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Post by tuesdaynight »

ryandrake wrote: post #186
duxup wrote: post #100

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Yeah it's a pattern for sure. Lotta folks seem to not want other people to talk about this kind of thing. Same goes for most other Trump administration articles. I get not wanting to read it, but that's not what flagging is for IMO...

Visit /active: https://news.ycombinator.com/active You'll see every single article criticizing DOGE has been flagged by users, in order to try to bury it.

Well, I agreed with the parent's comment until I clicked on your link. I'm not american, but I understand how important these topics are for you. However, /active is completely filled with US government news and politics. I would not access HN if that was the homepage, honestly.

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Post by intended »

lesuorac wrote: post #274
intended wrote: post #258

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How you frame a problem, determines what solution you are going to find. I went over many assumptions after the elections, to understand what I had missed. But things changed when I asked a different question. Its not a question of how Harris lost. Its a question of how Trump ran in the first place. With that change, things clicked into place.

Decades of ignoring existing anti-trust laws leading to large conglomerates with monopolistic pricing power? Unfriendly labor rulings like the time you spend in mandatory employer required security screenings doesn't count as paid time? Do share with the class what you think is special about Trump running consider he's done it for 4 elections [1] and considered it against Obama (you may remember the whole birther mov…

I like the tone of condescension. Makes it easier.

Lets work with what you said, what caused those issues in turn? If we get stuck at congress being deadlocked, or bad democrat leadership - please see "dems are always wrong". Where the converastion comes to whoever we blame (always the Dems), and then we sit on our hands.

You raised the question of trump running 4 times. I found that instructive, since the first time was in 2000, and it went no where. the other 3 times were the current 3 presedential races.

He was not a political force that decimated the anointed ones of the Republican inner circle. Nor was social tolerance for his behavior this high. What changed.

How did someone, an American who instigated an insurrection, A felon, A person who said he will grab women by the pussy - not only unsinkable in politics, but was able to tell everyone what Harris' campaign was?

Trump wanted to build a wall across a border. This wasn't a president in some banana republic.

This was in America. And this was tolerable, if not welcome.

Over an over again, we use normal measures (other candidate should message better), as if Trump is NORMAL.

That if someone else did a better job he would lose.

Its the other way round - America had a problem when he got to the ballot box, and did that twice.

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Post by kcplate »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #299
kcplate wrote: post #285

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> The act of not voting can mean nothing but "I'm OK with whoever." Or it can mean “I am not ok with either”. That is the reason I didn’t vote for Trump or Harris. Why should I participate when neither viable political party actually respects my vote enough to run a candidate that is worthy of a vote? I don’t need to vote for the lesser of two evils or to feel like I voted for a winner.

> I don’t need to vote for the lesser of two evils One of them is promising that you won't be able to vote again. And are you doing anything to fight foor the changes needed to dismantle the two party system?

I often vote for and support 3rd party candidates and their parties. Do you? Or are you content to just let your party just run shitty candidates every election cycle?

Also, I am not a Trump voter and have never been, but can y’all please stop taking snippets and quotes of his out of context? It’s so fucking tiring and intellectually dishonest and is one of the reasons he won this election. If you don’t know that your “won’t have to vote again” quote is out of context it would be intellectually honest of you to go watch the whole speech and understand the context and audience in which that was said. That way people like me who don’t like the man but happen to think truth is valuable and important in discourse don’t have to defend him.

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