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To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by t43562 »

michaelt wrote: post #292
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #81

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There was a good (?) video on the subject the other day, it was mainly about Volkswagen / VAG but highlighted the software problem. Cars are / were basically Frankenstein monsters under the hood, with dozens of onboard computers / chips all needing to work independently yet collaboratively and talk to each other. VW set up a new subsidiary and hired 3000 people to build the car software system of the future, reducing…

> reducing the 70-odd computers to 3 or so. What are they even counting as a 'computer' to get to 70? I know that in the door there's going to be a microcontroller, to connect the buttons, the lock and the window motor to the CAN bus (or whatever it is they use these days). Is that a computer? Are they proposing to get rid of it?

Ideally yes because if the microcontrollers can be replaced by a central macro-controller computer you can then update it all more easily. You make the whole thing more software defined.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by oefrha »

karel-3d wrote: post #228

To sum the article: * they sold him a broken car in December, that keeps losing battery 8% per day even when standing out doing nothing * they told him they could repair it, at the end of February, because of high demand for the part * he cannot now go to holiday peacefully and has to charge it nonstop * he doesn't consider the car safe to drive it all the way to the service center, because it basically doesn't work…

This “summary” is so wrong. You left out half of the article describing problems with the camera and on-board computer leaving every modern feature of the car useless, which is a known problem affecting a huge number of customers, and which they promise to maybe fix in three months. The only problem you mentioned in your summary, the mysterious battery loss, isn’t even officially acknowledged let alone promised a fix.

And what’s the point of a “summary” when TFA opened with a very good two paragraph summary of the situation? Can’t even tell if it’s gaslighting to make light of the problems, or some stupid AI summary service running amok.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by aeyes »

theshrike79 wrote: post #248
sshine wrote: post #221

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Same experience with my 2022 Model Y: Have yet not had a single problem for two years. Surely the problem lies in a high variance in the production of later models. Like when you visit a stellar restaurant and come back years later to realize the magic sauce was a chef who left. Also, yes, it sounds risky to buy a car without being able to drive it back when it immediately breaks. I can also see myself as a victim of…

There's a trick in the EU. If you buy the special red colour Y, it'll be German made. The other colours can come from China or US.

I doubt that they are any better because most of the issues are caused by poor design.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by nhinck3 »

teekert wrote: post #240
nhinck3 wrote: post #229

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Please re-read my comments. I don't state anything for or against Musk, I make it a point not to. I try to stress that things are not as one-sided as this comment-thread tries to make it out to be. I believe that that is a good thing. Is it not amazing to you, that you have just labelled someone that tries to argue against divisiveness as a Nazi supporter? My country, my grand parents suffered greatly under the Nazi'…

You aren't arguing against divisiveness, you're arguing against bringing up politics, the politics of a man who is actively utilising his vast amounts of wealth to divide multiple countries. A man who is seeking to deny human rights to marginalised peoples. A man who stood in front an audience of millions and threw out a Nazi salute clear as day.

There is no tolerance to be had here.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by karel-3d »

the_duke wrote: post #270
karel-3d wrote: post #246

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Also other thing on top of my head: start writing paper letters instead of e-mails. Usually companies take those more seriously. Paper letters means "ok he is really talking business now".

Biggest life tip: be good friends with a lawyer. You can write up a letter for them and they send it. In many companies anything going through legal is immediately prioritised.

Yeah a good point.

I do not know how much would such a thing cost though. But if it's just sending a letter with a lawyer stamp?

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

jemmyw wrote: post #191
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #118

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I'm afraid a lot of the tech is either necessary by law or necessary to get a decent safety rating these days, so you can't make the simple cars from yesteryear. Now, screens aren't required by law or safety ratings, but there's no getting around having a lot of software in there, and thus a screen to configure all that stuff.

Reversing cameras are required by law and they need a screen.

Should front facing cameras be required by law (in USA) too? The bonnet height of USA vehicles appears to be adult shoulder height. If you're 5ft/150cm tall or under they're lethal.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by amelius »

tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

> Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible.

At least it doesn't steal your personal data like Smart TVs do.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by sandworm101 »

delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #117
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a good (?) video on the subject the other day, it was mainly about Volkswagen / VAG but highlighted the software problem. Cars are / were basically Frankenstein monsters under the hood, with dozens of onboard computers / chips all needing to work independently yet collaboratively and talk to each other. VW set up a new subsidiary and hired 3000 people to build the car software system of the future, reducing…

The BMW G20 3-series before and after the facelift[1] perfectly exemplifies this issue. [1]: https://cdn.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/bmw-3-ser... EDIT: top is after, bottom is before.

Note what did not change. The pedals and steering wheel are identical. Someone at BMW still knows what quality means.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by stevage »

musikele wrote: post #165

Let's remove Musk from the equation, because you can like or (most probably) hate him, but I own a Tesla and I have the opposite experience. Everything worked out of the box. Just one piece of hardware started to fail (the charger plug making some noise) and they changed it in warranty. First: has the author tried a tesla before buying one? I'd never buy a car without trying it. Because comparing it to a Clio just be…

>Let's remove Musk from the equation, because you can like or (most probably) hate him

OP doesn't make any implication about Musk at all, his name is only mentioned in passing.

>I own a Tesla and I have the opposite experience.

This is not a useful contribution.

Obviously there are many satisfied Tesla customers. No one doubts this.

The point of an article like this is to bring to light just how bad a Tesla experience can be. Not a tiny bit bad, but really miserable and expensive.

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