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Post by stouset »

sethammons wrote: post #296
stouset wrote: post #173

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This has nothing to do with the speech. The speech is protected as always. You are free to say the same things on any platform you like: soapbox, print, a website, social media, anywhere. What is being prohibited is an adversarial government having complete control over an entity that can decide which speech is delivered to which specific audience.

How I read your stance: You are not allowed to hear what they have to say. They have poison thoughts that will infect you and others around you. We must protect our children from poison thoughts. We can either strive for an educated populace that can identify propaganda or we use propaganda ourselves on ourselves. Propaganda is winning.

Bold of you to read something completely different than what I actually said. Self-propaganda?

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Post by Cycl0ps »

tptacek wrote: post #268
2030ai wrote: post #264

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In addition big AI are swinging their clubs with Trump so this is a good way to jail the competition.

You are both talking as if this could possibly pass, and it cannot.

We've lived through a number of "That could never happen, though" scenarios in the past decade. I'm feeling a bit skeptical towards skepticism at the moment.

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Post by ijk »

rsynnott wrote: post #293
ijk wrote: post #7

On the one hand Hawley proposes a lot of things that don't ever get close to becoming law. On the other hand, we did ban TikTok (which is currently unavailable on the app stores because of the ban). I can think of few ways to more effectively destroy any US advantage in AI compared with the sheer efficiency of making it illegal to learn from what competing countries have achieved. From the article, it sounds like the…

> the importation into the United States of artificial intelligence or generative artificial intelligence technology or intellectual proprietary developed or produced in the People’s Republic of China ... That seems _absurdly_ broad; would arguably hit open source software, academic papers, patents... Like, taken at face value, this would mean "no longer do AI stuff in the US _at all_"; it would be impossible to do a…

That pretty much sums up the objection from EFF: as written, it would ban both publishing research and reading research for pretty much all of AI.

It's unlikely that this will ever get out of committee, of course.

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Post by hsuduebc2 »

qwedqwh wrote: post #246
hsuduebc2 wrote: post #191

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So russia deliberately mabipulate energy prices, plans for years to invade their neighbor with purpose of annexation them and somehow it's US fault. Lol. US have many faults and I would surely appreciate bigger independence for Europe. That's a fact. But the rest is just made up nonsense. I wonder why your account was created only for this post, have one comment and is under two weeks old. Comrade gopnik.

Another one of the 1.3 million Ukrainians in Germany, 250000 of whom are evading military service. All of them collect social security, live in relative comfort, take our apartments and lecture us if our opinions are not approved by the U.S. State Department, Biden edition. You do know that Trump admitted that the invasion was provoked by NATO?

Oh another fresh new account. What a coincidence.

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Post by Natsu »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #273
Natsu wrote: post #89

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I have no way of verifying it, but I heard from someone I believe to be connected enough to know things that TikTok is taking marching orders from the Chinese military.

But that's, imo, not a reason to ban it. When it comes to media, yes curated media like magazines, journals, newspapers, and social media, Americans have the right to consume whatever media they want (minus exceptions like CSAM). If Americans want to watch hours of CCP-edited brainrot scrolly videos, that's 100% our right. We were never supposed to be a country like China or India who bans websites just because they…

It's not banned, they're forcing the Chinese to divest ownership & control of it, same as China does to US companies, really. The fact is that they'd rather shut it down than be unable to gather location data or build social graphs of their user base.

Frankly the propaganda aspect is the least troubling part of it because you're right, people can make their own choices about information sources.

But figuring out who various military members are connected to, where and how they're moving around, and especially any leaks where people take cell phones in places they shouldn't (remember that ship that installed a Starlink illegally?), they can get quite a bit of intelligence.

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Post by Natsu »

nomdep wrote: post #221
Natsu wrote: post #89

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I have no way of verifying it, but I heard from someone I believe to be connected enough to know things that TikTok is taking marching orders from the Chinese military.

That is kind of obvious. It’s a well known fact that all Chinese companies after certain size/reach are controlled by the Chinese government

True, but it doesn't seem widely appreciated.

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Post by sethammons »

stouset wrote: post #301
sethammons wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How I read your stance: You are not allowed to hear what they have to say. They have poison thoughts that will infect you and others around you. We must protect our children from poison thoughts. We can either strive for an educated populace that can identify propaganda or we use propaganda ourselves on ourselves. Propaganda is winning.

Bold of you to read something completely different than what I actually said. Self-propaganda?

I'm engaging in curiosity to understand. I'd love to understand your position better. You wrote:

> What is being prohibited is an adversarial government having complete control over an entity that can decide which speech is delivered to which specific audience.

That seems to imply that certain voices or ideas must be excluded to prevent this control. Isn't that, at its core, a decision that some poisonous thoughts should not be allowed to reach certain people? If not, how do you see this distinction? Does freedom of speech not include freedom to hear what others may find objectionable?

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Post by Defletter »

unclebucknasty wrote: post #282
Defletter wrote: post #144

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Let's remind ourselves of what the First Amendment says: > Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. The Constitution does not consider Freedom of Speech a positive right, one that can be g…

The First Amendment famously has limits, which have been tested and have held, repeatedly. These limits generally arise from conflict with other rights or societal good. On the latter point, obscenity is one of the most well-known exceptions. The government can and does make laws against it. The idea that a foreign, adversarial government would have a Constitutional right to propagandize our citizenry at-scale is obv…

> The idea that a foreign, adversarial government would have a Constitutional right to propagandize our citizenry at-scale is obviously not consistent with the societal good (or the "common defense", for that matter), so is outside of the First Amendment's scope/intent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamont_v._Postmaster_General

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Post by johnnyanmac »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #37
davidw wrote: post #31

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You get less jail time for an insurrection aimed at overthrowing a free and fair election and beating the shit out of cops while doing so.

Truly, what do you even do as the CCP or some other party that would like to spread anti-American propaganda? Literally just point to the actual, factual state of this country and tell me it isn't a rolling joke.

It's open source, hosted on an American Github server. If you don't trust it, prove it.

If you really don't trust it, copy the algorithms without forking it. That's the big allure of OSS. You should be scutinous, but you should be able to base that scrutiny on cold hard facts.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

NotYourLawyer wrote: post #196
9283409232 wrote: post #3

> The Republican Senator from Missouri Josh Hawley has introduced a new bill that would make it illegal to import or export artificial intelligence products to and from China, meaning someone who knowingly downloads a Chinese developed AI model like the now immensely popular DeepSeek could face up to 20 years in jail, a million dollar fine, or both, should such a law pass. You get less jail time for committing 34 fel…

You mean one time-barred, victimless misdemeanor that got transmogrified into 34 felonies by an overzealous political hack of a prosecutor? Lawfare was tried, and it failed. I hope it dies the death it deserves instead of becoming the new normal.

Ga's are still elected. "Hard on Crime" still works as a campaign slogan to this day.

We have a deeper societal perception to fix first before we can even think about a justice system focused on rehabilitation. It'd also be nice to remove that certain clause in the 13th amendment while we're at it.

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