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Post by foobarian »

panarky wrote: post #287
somename9 wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

David de Rothschild. The family has lent money to governments and royalty for centuries. You’re not going to find his accurate net worth on Forbes. Also, any king or dictator effectively owns their nation’s entire treasury, including all real estate. Maduro, for example, is wealthier than Musk.

There is no evidence — reliable, speculative, or otherwise — that suggests Nicolás Maduro's net worth exceeds even $100 billion. It's more likely in the hundreds of millions, not hundreds of billions. Even the most aggressive speculative estimates from opposition figures, investigative journalists, or geopolitical analysts do not approach that figure. No credible leaks (like the Panama Papers or Pandora Papers) have…

OP's point is that Maduro's authority over the whole country effectively grants him control over the resources and the corresponding net worth. It's a stretch but I can see where they are coming from.

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Post by breadwinner »

cle wrote: post #299
breadwinner wrote: post #240

Data is the ultimate Fact Check. This is a President that's adamantly opposed to fact checking [1] and has even coerced Facebook to drop fact checking. Of course they don't want data on government sites that disprove their "alternate facts". [1] https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4920827-60-minutes-tru...

> Data is the ultimate Fact Check. This is wrong IMO. Data can be missing, incomplete, biased, skewed, and even just plain wrong. Cherry-picked data can be worse than no data. The ultimate fact check is a scientific process of collecting data, modeling it, scrutinizing it and its methodology and the entities involved, contextualizing it, cross-checking, replicating, etc. What media likes to call "fact checking" to me…

> Data can be missing, incomplete, biased, skewed, and even just plain wrong.

All true of course. The solution for that is more data, not less.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by mcmcmc »

SeptiumMMX wrote: post #290
breadwinner wrote: post #240

Data is the ultimate Fact Check. This is a President that's adamantly opposed to fact checking [1] and has even coerced Facebook to drop fact checking. Of course they don't want data on government sites that disprove their "alternate facts". [1] https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4920827-60-minutes-tru...

Well, fact-checking works if it's done impartially. So, if you want to fairly fact-check a political debate, each side should have their own team of researchers/fact-checkers being equally able to object to an argument made by the opposing party. Due process, sort of, kind of. But I don't think I've ever seen that done actually. Usually, fact checkers are akin to Reddit moderators. Technically independent, but with o…

Having two parties with opposing biases and incentives doesn’t magically cancel out and become impartial. That’s the opposite of impartiality.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by cle »

breadwinner wrote: post #302
cle wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Data is the ultimate Fact Check. This is wrong IMO. Data can be missing, incomplete, biased, skewed, and even just plain wrong. Cherry-picked data can be worse than no data. The ultimate fact check is a scientific process of collecting data, modeling it, scrutinizing it and its methodology and the entities involved, contextualizing it, cross-checking, replicating, etc. What media likes to call "fact checking" to me…

> Data can be missing, incomplete, biased, skewed, and even just plain wrong. All true of course. The solution for that is more data, not less.

Maybe. It needs to be the right data, and interpreted correctly. More of the wrong data isn't particularly helpful.

I think what I'm arguing is that just having data isn't good enough, and it's dangerous to accept data at face value. It needs to be the right data, and interpreted correctly.

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Post by emmelaich »

PaulRobinson wrote: post #186
philipwhiuk wrote: post #64

Don't worry, absolutely no issues have occurred in medicine as a result of a lack of data on how a drug impacts pregnant people.

You'll be pleased to know that multiple countries elsewhere do worry about this, and will continue to publish evidence-based recommendations about appropriate drug usage. Every other member of the G8, NATO, AUKUS, and so on, all publish science for free, so as the US declines into a corruption-fuelled failed state, there will be access to that material still. I saw Mexican emergency services helping in Los Angeles th…

The person you're responding too was being sarcastic.

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Post by kasey_junk »

angelgonzales wrote: post #264

This is very similar to when the CDC stopped recording defensive gun use statistics! The pendulum is certainly swinging, on the other hand, I think we should retain data even if it doesn’t align with the current administration. I think it’s important that people should record data that they value, independent of governments, so they can maintain a source of truth throughout time. Articles from Axios, NYT and posts on…

The Dickey amendment in 1996 made it extremely difficult to study gun violence at the federal level. That only started to change in 2013 and then was finally fixed in 2019.

This is one issue where there is no pendulum. The pro-gun lobby has owned censorship of gun research for a generation and is likely to keep it from being an active and honest research area.

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Post by naikrovek »

breadwinner wrote: post #300
chasing wrote: post #277

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If you look at people who have been losing in court for lying recently, such as Rudy Giuliani, InfoWars, Fox news Dominion (settled for $787M), they are all conservatives. Maybe that proves that reality indeed has a liberal bias.

It’s not even a bias in that situation. Conservatives have an interest in denying reality because denying reality lets them have more of what they want.

Reality is what it is. Reality isn’t biased. It looks like a bias because of how far conservatives have pulled everyone to the right, by moving further right while demanding that everyone meet in the middle.

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Post by chasd00 »

0xcde4c3db wrote: post #208
CalRobert wrote: post #125

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Nitpick - fewer than fifty percent of votes went to trump

I was sure this was wrong, but it's true: according to official state counts, Donald Trump won 49.80% of the popular vote to Kamala Harris's 48.32%. The top 5 was rounded out by Jill Stein (0.56%), Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (0.49%), and Chase Oliver (0.42%) [1]. [1] https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/2024pres... (yes, I'm aware of the irony of linking to federal agency data in this thread)

Why would it be surprising enough to need verification? There was more than 2 candidates and the US presidential election is always very close.

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Post by ambicapter »

tialaramex wrote: post #200
marcosdumay wrote: post #163

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I laughed when those people self-identified as accelerationists... but holly shit! they knew what it means and were honest. Historically, they are just a bunch of rich morons that got lucky, got power, and decided to stage a coup. This is not some enlightened movement trying to replace the social norms. It's just your run of the mill personal power switch, and the only notable things about it are it's on a country th…

> it's on a country that has been extremely stable before The US is a known bad design, nation builders working for the United States stopped trying to use this design for new countries in the 20th century, it doesn't work. It's inherently unstable and you previously got very lucky, although you have had a civil war and numerous close calls. It's like oh, why don't we make coal-powered cars. Well because it's a known…

[Citation Needed]

I'd love to read about the new designs.

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