I just want to appreciate how well written and thought out this was. I have spent countless hours reading over ethics on AI, especially from Big Tech sources, but this note is leaps beyond. I compare this to the disastrous letter that effectively knee-capped American AI all while proposing flimsy AI ethics within about 500 words ( https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/pause-giant-ai-experime... ). This should be anoth…
Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence
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#302> the entire human person is simultaneously both material and spiritual... the human person transcends the material world through the soul... the human spirit does not exercise its normal mode of knowledge without the body I have a hard time wrapping my head around exactly what it is that Christians believe about immortality. So the soul lives on forever, but without the reasoning and intellectual capabilities grante…
It's been around 2000 years with many divisions and sects so I don't think you can give a single definition. Early Christians didn't agree on the divinity of Jesus. Hell wasn't christian doctrine until 400CE. Some Christians believe heaven is on earth itself and you'll be resurrected on earth, in your original body, when that times comes.
I think folks should have stopped with Zoroastrianism, all the monotheistic rest is just layer of sects upon sects upon sects, all coming from roughly same geographical area and all preaching basically the same copy paste with some tiny differences then blown out of proportions by fanatic zealots, completely misunderstanding or ignoring the same basic message within.
Look at discussion here - many folks have their own version of reality re this topic, normally set up how they like it, sometimes not that much compatible with each other. A question - do you feel like this reality, universe and all we anyhow experience, is somehow conforming to our wishful expectations and arranges itself to match that so the expectations get confirmed? I call this semi-rational discussion - smart folks politely discussing utter irrational bollocks. I get where the need for spiritual comes from - we are still roughly the same as those early tribes that believed in long lost religions. I just didn't get that hole filled via traditional indoctrination by others, a wonderful gift to a child and maybe the best - a self-determination with respect for his choices. Cousin had the same upbringing, ended up as protestant priest and now has a nice family with 3 kids. Self-determination.
But religion is literal opium for the masses. And opium is highly addictive, especially when served since very early childhood continuously. I see it my wife, she tried to shed it, and failed, its burned too deep into personality. She settled somewhere in the middle compared to rather fanatical upbringing.
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The message is imaginary because it’s based on an imaginary idea: god
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> It seems obvious to me that the gods of all religions are designed by human minds to be receptive to human interests, otherwise nobody would bother worshipping them Nah that's just what atheists convince themselves. There's nothing obviously nor truthful about this conclusion or the line of reasoning behind it. All arguments for and against the existence of God are inherently unfalsifiable, but that doesn't mean at…
All arguments for and against the existence of God are inherently unfalsifiable, but that doesn't mean atheism is inherently more logical than theism. I'm guessing you're one of those people who thinks atheism means a belief in the absence of a god, rather than its actual meaning, which is an absence of a belief in a god.
Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence
#305I just want to appreciate how well written and thought out this was. I have spent countless hours reading over ethics on AI, especially from Big Tech sources, but this note is leaps beyond. I compare this to the disastrous letter that effectively knee-capped American AI all while proposing flimsy AI ethics within about 500 words ( https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/pause-giant-ai-experime... ). This should be anoth…
One may or may not appreciate the religious aspect, but the Vatican has always been a hub for “refined thinkers.” And when it comes to establishing an (initial) point of discussion on such an ethically significant topic, I believe that the amount of thought distilled into this page has been considerable.
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> In our timeline, industrialisation brought forth a burst in democracy and the downfall of feudalism. Not everywhere: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrialization_in_the_Sovie... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward It should also be noted that the Industrial Revolution occurred in the early 1800s: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution Democracy was already around by then: * https:…
> I think it is more accurate to say the the presence of democracy was part of the environment that allowed industrialization to occur. That capitalism causes democracy is so high-level that it’s just a propaganda line. People from Marxists to neoliberals could say the same thing (meaning different things when interrogated).
We have no evidence capitalism causes democracy. But every democracy on the planet emerged from a context with private property and the rule of law.
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I didn’t even mention the bible, which I have read btw. The assertion was that Christianity offers a “beautiful and empowering message” and I said that it’s also imaginary. The message is imaginary because it’s based on an imaginary idea: god
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All these words, “sensory input, emotional responses, social interactions, and the unique context of each moment” are all words that we’ve developed and yet have no full understanding of. In any philosophy paper they’d be challenged in a second.
> Sensory input refers to the information received by the body's senses, like sight, hearing, touch, taste, and smell, through sensory organs like the eyes, ears, skin, tongue, and nose, which is then transmitted to the brain as electrical signals for processing and interpretation; essentially, it's anything you perceive using your senses. Even if we are talking about the best cameras in the world, they pale in compa…
Wait, what? Can you elaborate on this? That seems... wrong.
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#309> the entire human person is simultaneously both material and spiritual... the human person transcends the material world through the soul... the human spirit does not exercise its normal mode of knowledge without the body I have a hard time wrapping my head around exactly what it is that Christians believe about immortality. So the soul lives on forever, but without the reasoning and intellectual capabilities grante…
Early Christians commited a cardinal sin when they banished gnostics because simpletons couldn't understand their wisdom. What's left is a shell of christianity.
Simply put, soul is a material creation of the monad, aka the divine spark or the spirit, which is also our true I. Monads are reflections of the spiritual Sun, aka the God, and this is why they are created in his image. Monads shape matter, but aren't affected by matter. In the matter they create a microcosm, aka the soul, in their own image. The soul develops mind, emotions and finally condenses body from the heavy matter to serve as an anchor. Intelligence is developed at each layer, although the mind is where it can manifest to the fullest. First the soul develops the simplest form of intelligence in the dense body. It's a lot like learning to count with pen and paper: it's a heavy constraint for intelligence, but it's much easier to get an idea what it is when things are simple. Once the paper is lost, the student takes with him the learned skill and applies it later where things are more complex and less constrained.
If the soul hasn't learned to count when it had pen and paper, it indeed live in the God's light blissfully unaware of its surroundings. But eventually it will develop the highest form of intelligence in its mind and it will no longer need pen and paper.