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Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by bobxmax » Thu, Jan 30, 2025, 3:12 AM UTC

awesomeMilou wrote: post #271

bobxmax wrote: post #242

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It's also deeply damaging to the western ego, especially one rooted in American exceptionalism. But also one those of us actually working on foundational AI saw coming a mile away when most of the top research of late has been happening in Chinese labs, not American or European ones. Can't wait to see what this boneheaded President's tarrif on TSMC does to this situation.

> Can't wait to see what this boneheaded President's tarrif on TSMC does to this situation. Can you please provide a source? Genuinely curious as this would be fatal to the US economy. Imagine working 2 years to get out from Covid chip shortages only to hammer progress down with tariffs.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-taiwan-chip-tariffs-nv...

Hopefully it's just posturing, but either way it's utterly asinine yet about par for the course what I would have expected from this administration.

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by blackeyeblitzar » Thu, Jan 30, 2025, 3:16 AM UTC

teleforce wrote: post #269

jijji wrote: post #256

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It's probably the lack of understanding the market... Most people thought there was a ban (issued by the US in 2022) against China being able to utilize the H100 Nvidia graphics cards to prevent them from using AI (for the obvious purpose of oppressing their people). If anything, export controls need to be looked at and probably tightened as this is a glaring loop hole.

> export controls need to be looked at and probably tightened as this is a glaring loop hole US is the prominent trade freedom proponent champion until it does not suits them Also US is the prominent democracy proponent champion until it does not suits them And also US is the free speech freedom champion until it does not suits them

There are probably exceptional situations for each, but the US is far more for these things than against, to an extent that is unique and unprecedented. And that has improved lives and secured freedom not just for Americans but for many people around the world. Your negative take on the US isn’t convincing for me, as it is uncritical. Who champions free speech more, for example?

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Post by jandrewrogers » Thu, Jan 30, 2025, 3:17 AM UTC

henry2023 wrote: post #167

throw_pm23 wrote: post #159

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Software is unfortunately a side-project for most auto makers :)

With the amount of complexity found in modern car's pre-packaged software I'd not be so sure.

Automotive software is worse than you can possibly imagine. It is literally some of the most broken code I have seen in my entire career and that is the industry norm. Shockingly poor. In fairness, the constraints placed on automotive software production ensure this outcome. There is no room for good practice.

If I could walk everywhere the rest of my life, I would.

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by amlib » Thu, Jan 30, 2025, 3:18 AM UTC

jijji wrote: post #279

teleforce wrote: post #269

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> export controls need to be looked at and probably tightened as this is a glaring loop hole US is the prominent trade freedom proponent champion until it does not suits them Also US is the prominent democracy proponent champion until it does not suits them And also US is the free speech freedom champion until it does not suits them

I can understand your argument, but I also understand why the US would try to ban an oppressive regime who specifically use technology like AI for ubiquitous surveillance, behavior monitoring and social credit, facial recognition systems that can identify Uyghurs and alert authorities, internet monitoring (they arrest people every day for writing banned words on WeChat for example)... I think it's probably fine if th…

Sorry for the whataboutism, but the US looks more and more hypocrite when they sell themselves as the paragons of democracy and free trade, ready to save the world from authoritarian China but are fine selling AI and AI hardware (and armament, but that's another matter...) to Israel's oppressive regime which clearly uses it to persecute and kill innocent Palestinians.

It's all just dirty politics, in the end none of the people in power care if selling such technology feeds a monster or not, as long as they get their bags of money.

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Post by fishcrackers » Thu, Jan 30, 2025, 3:18 AM UTC

ninetyninenine wrote: post #291

mmaunder wrote: post #225

The amount of vitriol in these comments is the really surprising data. I've seen the same on Twitter. I can only put it down to the financial pain DeepSeek inflicted on many US retail investors by wiping almost $700 billion off NVidia's stock price. I think a lot of folks didn't see it coming and it hurt them right where it matters most: In the wallet. The anger out there is very real.

Also American pride. China is on track to outpace the US in technical, military and economic dominance. A lot of people want to poke at Chinese weakness wherever it’s exposed because Americans are used to being the best and also unconscious racism. When Japan was about to overtake the US the US pulled some similar moves and that is partly what’s responsible for japans current economic funk. It’s unlikely these moves…

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jan 30, 2025, 3:19 AM UTC

razster wrote: post #104

dotancohen wrote: post #43

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Not many non-gamers have hardware capable of running such a model locally - never mind the skills. For most people, bash is not a tool for interacting with the computer, it is how they express their frustration with the computer (sometimes leaving damaged keyboards).

I have DeepSeek-R1 1.5b running on a Raspberry Pi 5. I have DS-R1 14b Q6 running on my old AM4 Ryzen with a AMD GPU, without issues. My primary workstation is running 32B Q8 and without issues. And it's simple!

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Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by anhldbk » Thu, Jan 30, 2025, 3:23 AM UTC

Good finding. I don't see its timeline usually discussed in other Ethical hacking and responsible disclosures.

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Post by blackeyeblitzar » Thu, Jan 30, 2025, 3:23 AM UTC

tasty_freeze wrote: post #289

khazhoux wrote: post #278

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which was what?

If you rat out the government doing unconstitutional things, you lose your citizenship.

Did Snowden lose his citizenship? No. The US cannot revoke his citizenship per its laws. He fled to Russia and took an oath of citizenship there in 2022. But he didn’t renounce his US citizenship either.

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Post by eru » Thu, Jan 30, 2025, 3:24 AM UTC

forgotoldacc wrote: post #272

m00x wrote: post #245

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The hit on NVidia's stock price makes no sense to me. DeepSeek uses H100s and H800s. They'll likely have reasons to buy more now, and America will want to compete even harder, buying more chips. American companies are still way ahead as well, but they're just getting more competition. This will be healthy.

Many stocks aren't grounded in reality. They're essentially Memecoins: Classic Edition™ now. Tesla barely even sells but the stock just won't go down. Boeing orders have fallen massively and they're posting massive losses each quarter, and management shows zero desire to improve the situation. But the stock has basically stabilized since the initial catastrophes.

Well, you can't have it both ways:

Some people like to complain that the stock market is very short termist, and valuations never reflect what happens in the long term. And here you complain that the stock market doesn't focus solely on short term pain, but is looking to some potential futures.

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Post by robomartin » Thu, Jan 30, 2025, 3:24 AM UTC

mlinsey wrote: post #293

m00x wrote: post #245

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The hit on NVidia's stock price makes no sense to me. DeepSeek uses H100s and H800s. They'll likely have reasons to buy more now, and America will want to compete even harder, buying more chips. American companies are still way ahead as well, but they're just getting more competition. This will be healthy.

People saw how much cheaper it was to train DeepSeek v3, and assumed this reduced NVidia's TAM. I think this doesn't make much sense. a) For inference, cheaper and faster compute will increase total inference spend, because the end-user products will work better and people will use them more. b) For training, the big labs will continue to spend because we have yet to see diminishing returns to scale - in fact, we hav…

It's even more fundamental than that.

Any data center project currently under way or with plans to open within the next year or two has already place orders with NVidia or will do so very soon. Due to demand and lead times, you have to order to critical parts and systems today if you want to have half a chance of receiving them a year from now. Hardware supply lines are long and complex. I like to say that you cannot run a compiler and end-up with a warehouse full of chips.

The next fundamental reality has to do with competition.

Suppose company A foolishly decides to build a data center with only 10% of the chips they originally wanted based on the hype around DeepSeek. In the meantime, company B sticks to the plan and, perhaps, decide to take add the 90% of chips data center A did not take.

The net result will be the company A will be absolutely destroyed by company B. They will have nearly twice the compute capacity, which will translate to a huge competitive advantage across many fronts.

In other words, the selloff is, at best, ill informed. Market forces caused FUD. The smart one's took it as an absolutely massive buying opportunity. All you have to do now is wait.