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Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by joshstrange »

krashidov wrote: post #143
giancarlostoro wrote: post #46

Reminds me of JetBrains AI, I think I'll stick to JetBrains solution for the time being. I'm not super crazy on AI coding solutions, but the JetBrains flavor hits a sweet spot for me, built-in and does what I usually need it to do.

Has it gotten better? I tried it out early and it was unusable

Same here, I need to try it again but Copilot+Aider cover my needs right now. I would like LLM completion in my commit messages which Copilot doesn't have but JetBrains AI does IIRC. I really want JetBrains AI to get better, I think they are supposed to be adding Claude support this month? Or already did?

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Post by kstrauser »

jay-barronville wrote: post #281
littlestymaar wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad people care about their personal data, I just wished they cared as much when talking about ChatGPT, because in reality if you're not a Chinese dissident living abroad, then OpenAI is much more dangerous to you than the CCP.

> […] in reality if you're not a Chinese dissident living abroad, then OpenAI is much more dangerous to you than the CCP. Correct. I laugh a little every time I hear some folks immediately push the “Big Bad China is just trying to steal our data” narrative. My immediate reaction is, “Grab some tea and let’s sit down real quick, so I can tell you what some of our companies right here in America and our government do w…

It’s legal to be opposed to both, you know. At least OpenAI is in my legal jurisdiction.

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Post by dartos »

falcor84 wrote: post #274
tarkonaut wrote: post #266

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> they're literally better than you at anything except the few things you happen to be experienced in Like speaking english and coding?

I don't know how you compare, but ChatGPT's English grammar and vocabulary are significantly better than mine. And when I prompt it appropriately, it also seems to be a better creative writer than I am, at least for short pieces.

> it also seems to be a better creative writer than I am, at least for short pieces

Don’t be so hard on yourself.

Chatgpt (and other LLMs) are awful at creative prose.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by kstrauser »

guappa wrote: post #278
yard2010 wrote: post #273

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Why don't you ask the kids at Tiananmen Square? / Was fashion the reason why they were there?

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How many social credits are you getting for these posts?

You went from “eh, China isn’t so bad” to “Tiananmen Square protestors had it coming” within one thread.

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Post by noloblo »

Alifatisk wrote: post #240
noloblo wrote: post #18

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Hard to look at slower editors after sublime speed and hyper speed from zed rust

You can't compare Zed with Vscode and it's cousins. I've used Zed myself and it is still very lacking, limited extensions. Zed only has syntax highlighting and an ai assistant, but that's it. Even though Vscode (and the rest) is still also considered a text editor and not a IDE, they have by far way more features. Sure, you get super duper high speed, but at what cost?

Fair point are there rust or cpp based ides in parity with vs code to compare?

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by dartos »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #254
dartos wrote: post #34

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Don’t worry. There’s literally nothing an llm can write or tell you that you can’t write yourself or find in a manual somewhere.

> There’s literally nothing an llm can write or tell you that you can’t write yourself or find in a manual somewhere. That's like saying, there's literally nothing a service business can do for you that you can't do yourself. It's only true in a theoretical sense, if neither time nor resources are a constraint. In such hypothetical universe, you don't need a dentist - you only need to spend 5+ years in medical school…

> That's like saying, there's literally nothing a service business can do for you that you can't do yourself.

No, it’s not. You’re making my statement abstract for the sake of arguing.

I’m not a cook, doctor, or a lawyer. I can’t prepare meals for a party of more than 2.

I can’t perform surgery.

I can’t effectively defend myself in a court of law.

I (and I assume OP) have programming expertise.

I can write exactly all code an llm could write.

For simple scripts, demos and other easily Googleable tasks, LLMs will be faster, but it’s nothing out of reach for me.

These tools won’t force you to pay a subscription to code. You don’t need them if you already have experience.

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Post by dartos »

JKolios wrote: post #258
dartos wrote: post #34

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Don’t worry. There’s literally nothing an llm can write or tell you that you can’t write yourself or find in a manual somewhere.

Even if you absolutely have to use an LLM for some reason, there are already perfectly good LLMs for code generation that you can comfortably run on commodity hardware.

Yeah the deepseek models are actually pretty solid.

I use that with avante.vim for tedious refactors. All local.

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Post by spencerflem »

kstrauser wrote: post #304
guappa wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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How many social credits are you getting for these posts? You went from “eh, China isn’t so bad” to “Tiananmen Square protestors had it coming” within one thread.

Yeah , that's wild.

The proper move would be to show the very similar US response to Students Protests - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

They sent in the goons to beat up and arrest students protesting genocide or climate change too.

Hasn't gotten to tanks yet but truthfully it doesn't need to because we both know those protests aren't doing anything. If there was a credible student uprising it would happen here.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by kstrauser »

Alifatisk wrote: post #240
noloblo wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard to look at slower editors after sublime speed and hyper speed from zed rust

You can't compare Zed with Vscode and it's cousins. I've used Zed myself and it is still very lacking, limited extensions. Zed only has syntax highlighting and an ai assistant, but that's it. Even though Vscode (and the rest) is still also considered a text editor and not a IDE, they have by far way more features. Sure, you get super duper high speed, but at what cost?

Zed has good LSP support for lots of languages. It’s not only syntax highlighting and AI.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by dartos »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #256
guappa wrote: post #158

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And you think an llm can generate code to use an undocumented library? :D

Of course, why wouldn't it? It's a generative model, not a lookup table. Show it the library headers, and it'll give you decent results. Obviously , if the library or code using it weren't part of the training data, and you don't supply either in the context of your request, then it won't generate valid code for it. But that's not LLM's fault.

> not a lookup table

You can imagine the classic attention mechanism as a lookup table, actually.

Transformers are layers and layers and layers of lookup tables.

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