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Post by sylens »

mtalantikite wrote: post #218
sylens wrote: post #70

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The Apple Watch is also a terribly designed device for running. Too much of its functions rely on interacting with the touchscreen, something you are either unable to do with sweaty hands when running or don't want to do as it draws your attention away for a prolonged amount of time and hurts your form. Garmin's unwavering commitment to physical buttons and how you can customize what they do is what makes them the go…

Genuinely curious, what do you need to change mid-run on your watch? I set an apple music playlist to start, open a run on WorkOutDoors, and go. I really am only interested in heart rate, distance traveled and pace. And if I need to stop for anything walking back to my apartment after a session I have apple pay. Granted, I'm not a serious runner, I only do it as a supplement for my muay thai training (i.e. I'm only r…

I may want to pause my run for certain reasons - one time I came across a woman whose dog got off the leash so I helped him corral him before continuing on. There's also times I want to skip a song on my playlist because it's not fitting the current pace/vibe of my run. Always easier to do with physical buttons.

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Post by MarkusWandel »

nradov wrote: post #285
MarkusWandel wrote: post #234

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An example of how Strava is geek-compatible (so far! it may get ensh*ttified in the future). I found some old GPS logs from 22 years ago, when I first got a handheld GPS and geeked out with it, logging a whole bunch of rides and hikes. It took a bit of work to get those converted to a modern format (load into ancient tool, which is still maintained, and write out as GPX files... one at a time). But then these GPX fil…

Strava has a built in feature to trim an activity if you accidentally keep recording on the drive home. Happens all the time. You can just select the time when you want to cut it off.

In the free version? Never noticed it.

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Post by lenerdenator »

y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #243
lenerdenator wrote: post #107

So, let's review: 1) build headquarters in (relatively) low COL city - in this case, Olathe KS, which is a suburb of Kansas City MO. 2) Have people who actually want to make a product instead of making analysts happy 3) Invest in R&D 4) Bring manufacturing in-house and tightly control processes It's like everything the people actually doing the work at tech companies have been saying for years. Can I have my $10mil/y…

They have some postings for jobs that I might actually enjoy working on also. Too bad they don't offer remote roles.

For what it's worth, everything's up-to-date in Kansas City.

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Post by justinrubek »

fiftyfifty wrote: post #146
NoboruWataya wrote: post #14

Interesting article. My partner bought an Apple watch a couple of years ago and I was shocked at what a poor value proposition it was. Very expensive and wouldn't even hold a charge for a day. I guess you get used to it but having to charge my watch every day would drive me mad. Obviously there are things it will do better than a Garmin (and things it can do that a Garmin simply can't) but overall it didn't make sens…

I've been using a Garmin Forerunner GPS watch for years, and what I've found I like the most about it is actually the Garmin Connect app on my phone. I don't think Garmin gets enough credit as a software shop. Connect is a great application for tracking your workouts over time. A fair number of runners even use Garmin's workout plans from the app. Even compared to running apps exclusively for iOS and Android I think…

I may need to dig into the app more. I have mostly had complaints so far. Years ago I had an android wear device and the software integration seemed a lot better; I have considered the garmin software to be on the weak side and fairly annoying to use. I only switched over because of hardware build quality.

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Post by justinrubek »

danudey wrote: post #177
NoboruWataya wrote: post #14

Interesting article. My partner bought an Apple watch a couple of years ago and I was shocked at what a poor value proposition it was. Very expensive and wouldn't even hold a charge for a day. I guess you get used to it but having to charge my watch every day would drive me mad. Obviously there are things it will do better than a Garmin (and things it can do that a Garmin simply can't) but overall it didn't make sens…

> I guess you get used to it but having to charge my watch every day would drive me mad. The upside of the small battery capacity is a relatively fast charge time. If you put a watch charger in your bathroom you could put your watch on the charger when you go in for a shower and it'll be charged by the time you're finished showering, getting dressed, etc. I find it's a time that I have my watch off anyway, so it's no…

My garmin is more than easily charged in the same amount of time. With its capacity I can even forget to do so for weeks and have no issue.

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Post by mtalantikite »

sylens wrote: post #301
mtalantikite wrote: post #218

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Genuinely curious, what do you need to change mid-run on your watch? I set an apple music playlist to start, open a run on WorkOutDoors, and go. I really am only interested in heart rate, distance traveled and pace. And if I need to stop for anything walking back to my apartment after a session I have apple pay. Granted, I'm not a serious runner, I only do it as a supplement for my muay thai training (i.e. I'm only r…

I may want to pause my run for certain reasons - one time I came across a woman whose dog got off the leash so I helped him corral him before continuing on. There's also times I want to skip a song on my playlist because it's not fitting the current pace/vibe of my run. Always easier to do with physical buttons.

Yeah agreed, the long touch to pause your workout when sweaty is annoying. Although WorkOutDoors has decent auto-pause.

Definitely easier to navigate a playlist with physical buttons -- I run with airpods and just do the double/triple touch on them for forward/back.

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Post by mtalantikite »

hiq wrote: post #272
mtalantikite wrote: post #218

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Genuinely curious, what do you need to change mid-run on your watch? I set an apple music playlist to start, open a run on WorkOutDoors, and go. I really am only interested in heart rate, distance traveled and pace. And if I need to stop for anything walking back to my apartment after a session I have apple pay. Granted, I'm not a serious runner, I only do it as a supplement for my muay thai training (i.e. I'm only r…

Besides the various metrics other have mentioned (and which you could in theory put all in one screen, unless you're interested in a lot of them), you might want to interact with the workout and e.g. set it to the next interval. If you planned a 15min warmup at low pace but already feel good after 10min, you might want to already go to the main part of your workout. On Garmin that's one button away, I'd be annoyed if…

Oh interesting, so is this for separating out metrics for your main part of your run versus warmup? I guess I don't intentionally warmup so I've never thought to need that, but I can see that being useful for people that are more professional where seconds on your pace count. I tend to just look at the splits in WorkOutDoors and see "ok yeah I ran the first km at 5' and the last at 4'23", I should try to bring the middle kms down a bit next time".

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Post by hiq »

mtalantikite wrote: post #307
hiq wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Besides the various metrics other have mentioned (and which you could in theory put all in one screen, unless you're interested in a lot of them), you might want to interact with the workout and e.g. set it to the next interval. If you planned a 15min warmup at low pace but already feel good after 10min, you might want to already go to the main part of your workout. On Garmin that's one button away, I'd be annoyed if…

Oh interesting, so is this for separating out metrics for your main part of your run versus warmup? I guess I don't intentionally warmup so I've never thought to need that, but I can see that being useful for people that are more professional where seconds on your pace count. I tend to just look at the splits in WorkOutDoors and see "ok yeah I ran the first km at 5' and the last at 4'23", I should try to bring the mi…

> is this for separating out metrics for your main part of your run versus warmup

That's one aspect that's relevant once you're done, the other one relevant during the workout is that you can set different targets for different parts of your workout, e.g. you want to be at 100 bpm during your warmup, 160 bpm during a 4min interval, then rest 2min at 120bpm, things like that. If you don't strictly follow the program you initially planned (e.g. you want to have as much rest as you feel you need) then you'd have to interact with your watch.

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Post by kshahkshah »

nradov wrote: post #288
dutchbookmaker wrote: post #280

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I was in the same boat with genetics and cholesterol. It is all the diet. At some point I realized I had to stop eating cheese completely. No pizza, no nachos, no tacos with cheese. I can stay in good shape with a once a week cheat night but I don't have the genetics to deal with the cholesterol like that. It sucked at first but the things I do enjoy now, I enjoy them just as much.

Consuming cholesterol, like in cheese, has little effect on serum cholesterol levels. Almost all of the cholesterol in your body is endogenously produced.

That's true, but I think they were referring to the saturated fat in cheese/dairy which does affect cholesterol

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Post by fishywang »

NoboruWataya wrote: post #14

Interesting article. My partner bought an Apple watch a couple of years ago and I was shocked at what a poor value proposition it was. Very expensive and wouldn't even hold a charge for a day. I guess you get used to it but having to charge my watch every day would drive me mad. Obviously there are things it will do better than a Garmin (and things it can do that a Garmin simply can't) but overall it didn't make sens…

Garmin's hardware, including the hardware of their smartwatches, are very tempting. They are designed to be easy to use even with gloves, have good battery life, and on some high end they have solar and/or 40-meter scuba diving rated.

If there's a way to use Garmin's smartwatches without using their cloud I probably would consider that. But since their ransomware attack from 2020, I really can no longer trust their cloud any more, especially that the data collected from a smartwatch is on the more sensitive side. The only Garmin hardware I'm still using is their bicycle tail light+radar, which I just use with wahoo's bike computer instead of other Garmin products.

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