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Who killed the rave?

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Post by UltraSane »

post-it wrote: post #204
UltraSane wrote: post #196

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Seems like rent is so high in big cities that so many businesses are no longer possible. I think one solution to lower rent is a rule that for every month a rental property is vacant its book value declines by 10 times the rent.

> I think one solution to lower rent is a rule that for every month a rental property is vacant its book value declines by 10 times the rent. Wouldn't that just lower its property tax, thereby making it more profitable for owners to leave venues unrented (compared to the status quo)?

Right now commercial real estate owners are incentivized to never lower rent even if a property is vacant for a long time because the book value of the property is tied to its rental rate even if it is vacant.

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Post by ZeWaka »

jprete wrote: post #122
SheinhardtWigCo wrote: post #70

> The proportion of club nights running beyond 3am fell in 12 of 15 global cities between 2014 and 2024, according to a Financial Times analysis of events on listings website Resident Advisor. Club nights are not raves. Raves are (usually) not posted on RA. The underground scene is doing just fine.

I'm not in the club or rave scene - practically the opposite - but it astounds me that the FT thought they could draw useful conclusions about an underground scene by analyzing publicly-posted events on a site named Resident Advisor.

To be fair, RA is /the/ place to post more organized events. Even my local underground spot posts there. (Yes, it's underground, ~20 people show up to the small shows)

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Post by jejeyyy77 »

steveBK123 wrote: post #118

Probably a bunch of factors... Tier 1 city RE prices have made live entertainment venues harder to run profitably. GenZ studies have found a lower participation in "risky behavior" which late night clubbing may or not be considered. Mobile internet & smartphones seem to be killing all forms of live in person interaction. And finally electronic music of various forms used to be a niche, and now it's mainstream. In the…

none of these seem to resonate based on what I see anecdotally

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Post by brink »

some_random wrote: post #281

Millenials are getting too old while Gen Z is too risk adverse and was generally shocked out of the habit of going out by the pandemic.

Another factor is why waste the effort going to get a dopamine rush by going out when you have dopamine in your pocket?

We're too overstimulated and numb to bother leaving the house. Why bother playing a game when you can watch someone play it for you on Youtube with less effort?

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Post by grahamj »

myrandomcomment wrote: post #185
jjulius wrote: post #161

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Oh, it's definitely not for everyone. I love most of the broad spectrum of electronic music (sans the more mainstream "EDM" crap, but I digress...), so my wife gets exposed to all kinds of weird, repetitive shit. And she can't stand most of it, it makes her very anxious and over-stimulated. There's one particular kind of electronic music, called Deep House, which is heavily rooted in Funk, Soul, Disco and Jazz, that…

Thanks for sharing this. I have a similar wife it seems. Does not like most EDM, but Downtempo, ambient house & deep house she loves to dance to. That with a bit of Molly can be a ton of fun. If you have SiriusXM their Chill station plays this type of music. One of my favorite DJs is Nora En Pure. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nora_En_Pure It is amusing to me that she was born after I graduated high school.

I’ll recommend Groove Salad from Soma FM (avail through TuneIn) for chill too, great station and no ads

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Post by tbrownaw »

jamestimmins wrote: post #157
steveBK123 wrote: post #118

Probably a bunch of factors... Tier 1 city RE prices have made live entertainment venues harder to run profitably. GenZ studies have found a lower participation in "risky behavior" which late night clubbing may or not be considered. Mobile internet & smartphones seem to be killing all forms of live in person interaction. And finally electronic music of various forms used to be a niche, and now it's mainstream. In the…

It's shocking how often the answer to "How come X changed?" is either the creation of the internet or the cost of real estate. Surprisingly often, it's both.

> It's shocking how often the answer to "How come X changed?" is either the creation of the internet or the cost of real estate.

Why is it shocking? The Internet is the current Big Thing that's upending everything the way previous Big Things (steam engine, movable type, etc) did. And real estate prices are one of the central coordination mechanisms for arranging things in the physical world.

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Post by cooper_ganglia »

adverbly wrote: post #264
jamestimmins wrote: post #157

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It's shocking how often the answer to "How come X changed?" is either the creation of the internet or the cost of real estate. Surprisingly often, it's both.

It's shocking how often the answer to real estate issues is "land value tax would fix this!"

Sorry, but a "land value tax" is one of the worst political propositions I've ever heard. This is a great way to further erode the middle class, ensure that owning is always prohibitively out-of-reach for anyone born after 1980, and to promote corporate consolidation of land by BlackRock and other corporations.

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Post by mtalantikite »

vrosas wrote: post #254
mtalantikite wrote: post #176

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This exactly. I've been to "raves", they were just giant parties with $3 beers in an abandoned or semi-legal building somewhere in Brooklyn. I was surprised when I started hearing people call giant corporate venues with dancing "raves". I went out to one of those giant clubs in Brooklyn not too long ago to see a friend DJ (Brooklyn Mirage). I was on guestlist, but the cover would have been $50. I bought a round of dr…

> What 20-something can afford to do that with any regularity? Practically every 20-something (and just as many 30+ somethings) I know in NYC DO do this very regularly, especially if they already live in wburg/bushwick. If they're not there, they're mixing it up at nowadays.

I guess the 20-somethings I know (and knew when I was also 20-something) are broke artists and models. They don't have $200 to spend on a night out every weekend. Nowadays certainly is affordable and there are others of course. People make it work.

There were definitely expensive clubs that kids with money went to when I was young -- a friend ran sound at The Box and that was always wildly priced. But there was no shortage of illegal parties in warehouses with cheap drinks and no cover on the williamsburg waterfront and out in Bushwick in the early 2000s for the weirdos. Even met my wife at one.

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Post by fizx »

Burning Man's been dying slowly since about 2018, so pre-Covid. When I say dying, I don't mean "getting mainstream & EDMified" like all the old Burners have complained about since forever. I mean, the mainstream has stopped taking interest, and increasing portions of the tickets are getting taken by internationals because its passé in the USA, but still on some people's travel bucket lists. This year was the first year in a while with extra tickets available, but the writing has been on the wall for a while.

I'm sure raving will come back in 20 years like most fashion.

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