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There’s literally nothing in any open source software license that stops the author from getting paid. It is literally one of the fundamental freedoms mentioned by Richard Stallman. Freedom to sell the software. AGPL just closes the cloud service loop where someone can take your code, modify it and deploy it and offer it as a cloud service. As they’re not technically “distributing” the modifications they wouldn’t be…

This comes up occasionally and while it’s 100% true FOSS doesn’t mean you can’t get paid, any sufficiently big project is going to get folks repackaging it without the payment component. A good example is for-sale Wordpress plugins. There are entire sites/communities for using the FOSS license to take those for-sale plugins and redistributing them for free. The RedHat debacle is another example although with some mor…

As someone that runs a profitable FOSS business, you can indeed get paid well for FOSS. Just be better than the status quo by a lot. Thankfully it is a low bar.

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I love the right to repair work Louis Rossmann does, and this project goal as a whole, but this license is a major step backwards for software distribution with high assurances of security, freedom and privacy. Debian, Arch, Guix, F-droid or any other independent signed reproducible build channels require a true Open Source license to function legally. The license thus forces users to download unsigned non-reproducib…

The license lets you do whatever you want except rip off FUTO. What does the license prevent you from doing?

Everything I described in my comment.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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post #205

I love the right to repair work Louis Rossmann does, and this project goal as a whole, but this license is a major step backwards for software distribution with high assurances of security, freedom and privacy. Debian, Arch, Guix, F-droid or any other independent signed reproducible build channels require a true Open Source license to function legally. The license thus forces users to download unsigned non-reproducib…

Can’t you say this about virtually every single closed source binary only release software? Steam, 1Password, etc? Why is Grayjay special here. Just curious.

Correct. I do not use or recommend proprietary tools for any system a user needs to be able to trust. There are always alternatives.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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post #303

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This comes up occasionally and while it’s 100% true FOSS doesn’t mean you can’t get paid, any sufficiently big project is going to get folks repackaging it without the payment component. A good example is for-sale Wordpress plugins. There are entire sites/communities for using the FOSS license to take those for-sale plugins and redistributing them for free. The RedHat debacle is another example although with some mor…

As someone that runs a profitable FOSS business, you can indeed get paid well for FOSS. Just be better than the status quo by a lot. Thankfully it is a low bar.

Would you like to elaborate on how you run your FOSS buissness? What makes your approach different than the numerous company's that struggle with it

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You can take a copy of Debian and resell it or put it in a product and sell that. That’s a pretty important freedom of free software.

And Debian is OK with that, because Debian is not a for-profit company that paid it's developers money to make a product, thus they don't care that others get it and resell it. For a company, the product itself, what makes money, cannot be OSS, as it makes its resell value effectively zero. If the software was OSS, then the software is _not_ the product, but added values are (support, consulting, etc... the classic t…

I think you don't understand what debian is or does.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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post #304

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The license lets you do whatever you want except rip off FUTO. What does the license prevent you from doing?

Everything I described in my comment.

> You may distribute the software or provide it to others only if you do so free of charge for non-commercial purposes.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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post #303

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This comes up occasionally and while it’s 100% true FOSS doesn’t mean you can’t get paid, any sufficiently big project is going to get folks repackaging it without the payment component. A good example is for-sale Wordpress plugins. There are entire sites/communities for using the FOSS license to take those for-sale plugins and redistributing them for free. The RedHat debacle is another example although with some mor…

As someone that runs a profitable FOSS business, you can indeed get paid well for FOSS. Just be better than the status quo by a lot. Thankfully it is a low bar.

I took a look at your bio but after a glance (forgive me if I’m missing something obvious) it looks like you do consulting but I don’t see FOSS for sale. I’m curious what your project is if it’s something else, but if it’s consulting that makes sense. Consulting doesn’t really work for a lot of categories of software though. Like nobody is going to pay FUTO for consulting on following YouTubers.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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post #303

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As someone that runs a profitable FOSS business, you can indeed get paid well for FOSS. Just be better than the status quo by a lot. Thankfully it is a low bar.

I took a look at your bio but after a glance (forgive me if I’m missing something obvious) it looks like you do consulting but I don’t see FOSS for sale. I’m curious what your project is if it’s something else, but if it’s consulting that makes sense. Consulting doesn’t really work for a lot of categories of software though. Like nobody is going to pay FUTO for consulting on following YouTubers.

We sell support, customization, ensuring packages some people care about most are supported, etc.

Also some people just pay monthly to ensure we stay viable because we save them a lot of work trying to implement and maintain what we do themselves.

Look at all the content creators that make a living on patreon etc. If you give stuff away for free people value but also make it really easy to support you, often people do.

An example outside my projects is Octoprint. Last time the founder had donations public, she was pulling in like 5k/mo for one person just doing FOSS dev for something totally free no one needs consulting for.

Our own projects individually are not that profitable as they are much more niche, so consulting makes much more sense for us.

That said, for projects that are fully open source you can get listed on opencollective so people can make tax deductible donations to specific open source projects, like the stagex project I founded: https://opencollective.com/stagex/donate

If you are going to do something for public good, make it easy for people to justify donating to you for a tax write off!

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