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A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Post by sho_hn »

engineer_22 wrote: post #288
mstade wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was just in CA for a few weeks and drove in SF quite a bit. There are Waymo cars everywhere and from the perspective of a driver I was more than a little cautious driving behind or next to one of them. I would rate their driving as quite good, but their signaling of intent was terrible. More than once did I see them use turn signals, only to never actually turn. Turn the signals on, then off again, then on again, e…

I think that as a pedestrian it would be hard for me to get used to. I like to look at the eyes of the driver to make sure they can see me.

Don't move to South Korea, where nearly everyone has tinted windshields and you literally can't.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Post by lmm »

sho_hn wrote: post #301
engineer_22 wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that as a pedestrian it would be hard for me to get used to. I like to look at the eyes of the driver to make sure they can see me.

Don't move to South Korea, where nearly everyone has tinted windshields and you literally can't.

Ok I won't? What a horrible thing to normalise.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Post by futureshock »

rglullis wrote: post #86
mulmen wrote: post #56

I rode in a Waymo recently and was amazed at how good it was. It was easily in the top 5 best drivers I have ridden with. Really really impressive. It wasn’t nearly as cautious or timid as I expected it to be. But it also wasn’t reckless. I would describe it as assertive, but I’m sure some people would call it aggressive. It knows the rules and what’s going on around and acts accordingly. This really should be the no…

The whole thing with self-driving cars is that it feels like the story of NASA's space pen. All this money being poured into a technology that would not be needed if the richest country in the world had the common sense of simply getting rid of its car dependency and developed proper public transit infrastructure.

Many cities in Europe still have their Roman era street plans. The street layout of a city is incredible sticky. Once you have a city built around cars and all the private property and infrastructure that goes with it, you are basically stuck with it for 1000 years. And American city layouts are horrible for public transit and walking.

We can look at international cities with longing and jealousy, but LA, Houston, Miami, and so on will never have useable public transit. You’d have to bulldoze the whole city and start again. So great for Paris and London and yes I would rather live there, but we are stuck finding solutions that work inside the mess we made.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Post by throwaway4220 »

BaculumMeumEst wrote: post #290
CalRobert wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I ride my bike several times a day, and I have very mixed views about Waymo, etc. I care immensely about traffic safety (so much I moved to the Netherlands). If you took the world as it is now and left everything the same except that every car was a waymo and there were no human-driven cars left, I would be ecstatic. Humans are horrible drivers and some of them are downright murderous. If every car were a waymo I cou…

It seems contradictory to care immensely about traffic safety but lament the idea of wearing a vest to cross the street. It seems like something that logically we should probably already be doing. Self driving cars are just making it more obvious.

Consider what you’re saying - you can’t walk on the street you live on without a vest

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Post by rsynnott »

mulmen wrote: post #106
rglullis wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole thing with self-driving cars is that it feels like the story of NASA's space pen. All this money being poured into a technology that would not be needed if the richest country in the world had the common sense of simply getting rid of its car dependency and developed proper public transit infrastructure.

Nobody says it has to be a car form factor. It can be a self driving van or shuttle or bus. Last mile is a nightmare with all public transit. With the low population density of the US we need a lot of small vehicles to feed transit hubs.

> Last mile is a nightmare with all public transit.

In rural areas, sure. In urban and dense suburban areas, in most developed countries there's probably a bus stop within easy walking distance.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Post by chippiewill »

rwmj wrote: post #291

On a tangential topic, I'm surprised Waymo don't self-insure. Is there an advantage to Waymo of outsourcing insurance? Is it a legal thing?

It's easier to budget for an insurance policy than an insurance claim.

Clearly Waymo can afford to self insure, but its difficult to accou t for the underspend and overspend depending on accident rate.

Insurance companies have the advantage of amortization over a much larger number of policies. Even insurance companies will have their own insurance.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Post by [deleted] »

futureshock wrote: post #304
rglullis wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole thing with self-driving cars is that it feels like the story of NASA's space pen. All this money being poured into a technology that would not be needed if the richest country in the world had the common sense of simply getting rid of its car dependency and developed proper public transit infrastructure.

Many cities in Europe still have their Roman era street plans. The street layout of a city is incredible sticky. Once you have a city built around cars and all the private property and infrastructure that goes with it, you are basically stuck with it for 1000 years. And American city layouts are horrible for public transit and walking. We can look at international cities with longing and jealousy, but LA, Houston, Mi…

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Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Post by Mistletoe »

engineer_22 wrote: post #288
mstade wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was just in CA for a few weeks and drove in SF quite a bit. There are Waymo cars everywhere and from the perspective of a driver I was more than a little cautious driving behind or next to one of them. I would rate their driving as quite good, but their signaling of intent was terrible. More than once did I see them use turn signals, only to never actually turn. Turn the signals on, then off again, then on again, e…

I think that as a pedestrian it would be hard for me to get used to. I like to look at the eyes of the driver to make sure they can see me.

Having just rewatched the original Total Recall, I can only think of one perfect answer for this. Need to add a Johnny Cab guy to the driver seat and have his head look the direction he is going to go.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Post by heroprotagonist »

ddalex wrote: post #152
heroprotagonist wrote: post #141

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> The future is bright. Ask the 2.3 million employed drivers in the United States how the future looks. Because pretty soon, they'll all need to be doing something else. And I don't see a technology that will open up 2.3 million jobs for them to move into, or training initiatives to support them while they shift professions. The future _could_ be bright, if we approach AI right, and build the social safety net to sof…

I think if we ban cars now we may still have a chance to save the horse industry

No, we won't need horse drivers either.

But you might decide to build in enough additional taxes on the self-driving vehicles to cover at least the state's increased costs in terms of unemployment, medical, and services.

This way all those people riding the fancy new cars are the ones subsidizing the new industry's hidden costs instead of every tax payer.

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