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More men are addicted to the 'crack cocaine' of the stock market

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Re: More men are addicted to the 'crack cocaine' of the stock market

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People want a chance to get rich. They also want excitement. Doesn't that say more about our jobs that are a) dead-end for most b) financially limiting, with a salary that goes up slowly, if at all, unless you find a new job People want the chance to win, and some meaning, and some daily purpose. No one cares anymore about the stats of "stock pickers" "day traders" and other arguments for DCAing into index funds and…

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Re: More men are addicted to the 'crack cocaine' of the stock market

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> They expect the problem to worsen. The stock market has climbed 23% this year... The problem will resolve itself if (when?) the market crashes. I remember the run up to the dot-com bust. I was too much of a bumpkin at the time to even know how I would trade stocks — but I listened to an acquaintance go on and on about how much he was making on the market. At the time I guessed that he was much smarter than me — tha…

The Gov't / Federal Reserve has made it clear they will not let the value of assets drop significantly ever again. The entire planet's capital is now betting on US equities going up and to right forever, and all levers will be used and invented wholesale from nothing to keep that going.

This implies that a sustained crash will only happen if/when these two institutions are no longer capable of supporting the market. In effect, it's a bet against the US, which so far has been a losing one.

Re: More men are addicted to the 'crack cocaine' of the stock market

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Whats the difference between "idiots have to be scammed" vs "people who can't fend off a knife fighter while en route to the grocery store have to be stabbed"? Some people are gullible, or trusting. This doesn't mean they don't have other gifts, or most of all good intentions. Applying an evolutionary pressure against people who can't fend off knife attackers is ultimately useless for human wellbeing The real issue i…

There’s obviously a huge difference between a scam and a violent attack. The person being scammed doesn’t ever lose their agency and willingly participates. That’s very different from a knife attack, where the victim would leave at every moment if possible.

> There’s obviously a huge difference between a scam and a violent attack.

I do not agree with that statement. You're just justifying anti-social behavior.

Re: More men are addicted to the 'crack cocaine' of the stock market

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> They expect the problem to worsen. The stock market has climbed 23% this year... The problem will resolve itself if (when?) the market crashes. I remember the run up to the dot-com bust. I was too much of a bumpkin at the time to even know how I would trade stocks — but I listened to an acquaintance go on and on about how much he was making on the market. At the time I guessed that he was much smarter than me — tha…

The problem is that I have been seeing some version of the “crash imminent, sell everything” thesis for my entire life. Almost nobody who “saw the crash coming” in the case of the dotcom bubble, or covid, or the subprime crisis made any money, because almost nobody gets the timing or magnitude of the crash right. You can find YouTube channels that have been warning people that a crash is imminent for the last two yea…

The risk of a crash is why you stay out of single stock concentration and why you avoid day trading. Its not an argument to stay out of the market.

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> Expectations are priced in, and others probably have more information than you anyway. I have always made money on the stock market. I bought Nvidia in December 2022 and then again in April 2023. Yes the information was out there - anyone reading this board back then could see it. Or who saw Emad Mostaque's tweets that Stable Diffusion was trained on Nvidia, or who knew the semi-public information that OpenAI train…

> Read the Wall Street analyses from the middle of last year on AMD being a big Nvidia competitor, then read the posts here this week about how AMD engineers don't have boards to fix bugs. "We the customer had to mail the AMD engineer a spare board to fix the bug". The cobbler's children wear no shoes at AMD. Then go read some Wall Street report about the stiff competition Nvidia faces from AMD. The information is he…

The second company benefiting from AI Broadcom, not AMD.

Re: More men are addicted to the 'crack cocaine' of the stock market

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post #151

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> Expectations are priced in, and others probably have more information than you anyway. I have always made money on the stock market. I bought Nvidia in December 2022 and then again in April 2023. Yes the information was out there - anyone reading this board back then could see it. Or who saw Emad Mostaque's tweets that Stable Diffusion was trained on Nvidia, or who knew the semi-public information that OpenAI train…

> Read the Wall Street analyses from the middle of last year on AMD being a big Nvidia competitor, then read the posts here this week about how AMD engineers don't have boards to fix bugs. "We the customer had to mail the AMD engineer a spare board to fix the bug". The cobbler's children wear no shoes at AMD. Then go read some Wall Street report about the stiff competition Nvidia faces from AMD. The information is he…

I am saying several different things. For your question, the farther out in the future, the more uncertain it is. The stock analyses from the middle of last year which talked about the threat of AMD in a more immediate tone were obviously wrong. Some of the analysis now that talks about the short-term threat of AMD does not jibe with what programmers here working with AMD have said in threads this week. Or what George Hotz or others are saying about buggy AMD chips.

One point is we here know certain things here that stock analysts looking at the last quarterly report do not. The short-term threat of AMD was certainly overstated by Wall Street last year, and in my opinion still is.

If we stop talking in terms of months and start talking in terms of years, it is harder to tell. Maybe AMD will get its act together and give Nvidia a run for its money. Maybe not. For 2025, I don't think AMD will have much effect on Nvidia though.

Re: More men are addicted to the 'crack cocaine' of the stock market

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> They expect the problem to worsen. The stock market has climbed 23% this year... The problem will resolve itself if (when?) the market crashes. I remember the run up to the dot-com bust. I was too much of a bumpkin at the time to even know how I would trade stocks — but I listened to an acquaintance go on and on about how much he was making on the market. At the time I guessed that he was much smarter than me — tha…

The Gov't / Federal Reserve has made it clear they will not let the value of assets drop significantly ever again. The entire planet's capital is now betting on US equities going up and to right forever, and all levers will be used and invented wholesale from nothing to keep that going.

The federal reserve literally just got through a monetary tightening policy that paid zero regard to the stock market.

The fed will juice to keep employment up and tighten to keep inflation down. They will not support stocks at the expense of those mandates

Re: More men are addicted to the 'crack cocaine' of the stock market

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The Gov't / Federal Reserve has made it clear they will not let the value of assets drop significantly ever again. The entire planet's capital is now betting on US equities going up and to right forever, and all levers will be used and invented wholesale from nothing to keep that going.

Yea, except the inflation we encountered in the last 3 years were directly from trying to keep asset values from dropping. They are at their ropes end. There really isn't that much room between mass inflation vs. the rich keeping their numbers infinity growing.

That’s a fundamental misunderstanding of asset prices vs interest rates.

Re: More men are addicted to the 'crack cocaine' of the stock market

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A thought. What if we have judged the healthiest of a society on the wrong metrics. And the right one is birth rate? We might say things are bad for a society if it’s too dangerous or not enough food so the birth rate goes to near zero and as a result it dies. How is a society that has people being too busy or occupied with other task that neglects reproducing a better society than the latter? Obvious too much of a b…

Basically what you’re saying is that the healthiest society is the one whose population is growing the fastest? I would think life expectancy would be a better measure of a healthy vs unhealthy environment.

You're talking about individual health. Regardless of what specifically makes a society healthy, a necessary condition is that it doesn't die out.

A society with a 120 year life expectancy and 0 birth rate isn't healthy.

A society with 20 life expectancy and 6 birth rate is unhealthy but for different reasons.

Re: More men are addicted to the 'crack cocaine' of the stock market

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I agree. I think the reality is the "don't try to be smart, do these low-risk things because statistically you're too stupid to beat the market" has logic to it, and stats to back it up. But the unspoken part is, "let the rich do that stuff, and their wealth advisors and folks on the golf courses". So there's an elitist aspect to telling people to back off. We all know people who made a killing on individual stocks,…

It's not really elitist. Picking individual stocks is essentially saying "I have brand new insight that nobody else has, and I'm going to earn profit by incorporating that knowledge into prices and be rewarded forgetting it right". This is clearly a very specialized activity, you shouldn't expect to be able to bring brand new, accurate insight, and out predict everyone else in the world, without a deep understanding…

> without a deep understanding of economics, finance, and expertise in the specific industry and the company you're trading in.

is in contradiction to

>It's not really elitist.

It's not wrong. But elitist is absolutely is. We're saying, only these people can do these things correctly. Is it true? It's subject to debate. You can be in IT, discover a software product at work and decide you think the company is worth investing in. Don't need an MBA for that.

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