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Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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We've had realistic sci-fi and alternate history movies for a very long time.

Which take millions of dollars and huge teams to make. These take one bored person, a sentence, and a few minutes to go from idea to posting on social media. That difference is the entire concern.

If “evil actors” could really “manipulate elections” with fake video, would they really let a few million dollars stop them?

That’s not that much money.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Which take millions of dollars and huge teams to make. These take one bored person, a sentence, and a few minutes to go from idea to posting on social media. That difference is the entire concern.

If “evil actors” could really “manipulate elections” with fake video, would they really let a few million dollars stop them? That’s not that much money.

Who says they don't? Interference is being "democratized".

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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post #302

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If “evil actors” could really “manipulate elections” with fake video, would they really let a few million dollars stop them? That’s not that much money.

Who says they don't? Interference is being "democratized".

Any examples of hoax videos that you can name? I’m having a hard time placing any.

I really find the threat to be overhyped.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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post #18

Last time Google made a big Gemini announcement, OpenAI owned them by dropping the Sora preview shortly after. This feels like a bit of a comeback as Veo 2 (subjectively) appears to be a step up from what Sora is currently able to achieve.

And it's going to be hard for OpenAI to do that again, now that Google's woken up.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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post #278

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Because silicon is a robot. A camcorder can't catch a flick with me in the theater even if I dress it up like a muppet.

What if I'm part-carbon, part-silicon? Like, a blind person with vision restored by silicon eyes? Do I not have rights to run whatever firmware I want on those eyes, because it's part of my body? Okay, so what if that firmware could hypothetically save and train AI models?

presumably, it should be illegal to record a movie with with an inbuilt camera. capturing the data in such a way that an identical copy can be automatically be reproduced brakes the social contract around the way those works are shared. the majority of media is produced by large companies that are ultimately not harmed by such activities, but individual artisans that create things shouldn't be subjected to this.

we can take this a step further: if your augmented eyes and ears can record people in a conversation, should you be allowed to produce lifelike replicas of people's appearance and voice? a person can definitely imagine someone saying/doing anything. a talented person with enough effort could even make a 3D model and do a voice impression on their own. it should be obvious that having a conversation with a stranger doesn't give them permission to clone your every detail, and shouldn't that also be true for your creations?

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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The example of a "Renaissance palace chamber" is very historically inaccurate by around a century or two, the generated video looks a lot like a pastiche of Versailles from the Age en Enlightenment instead. I guess that's what you get by training on the internet.

What's inaccurate about it?

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Nonsense like: - People were 'forced' into vaccinations - Covid 19 was a testing ground for the next global pandemic so that "they" can control us - Climate change is a hoax/Renewables are our doom - Everything our government does is to create a totalitarian state next. - Putin is actually the victim, it is all NATO fault and their imperialism

Why is it impossible for these opinions to be homegrown? Would people be a hivemind without Putin?

That's an interesting question.

My sense is that the "hivemind" is, in a symbiotic way, both homegrown and significantly foreign-influnced.

More specifically: the core sentiment of the hivemind (basically: anti-war/anti-interventionist mixed with a broader distrust of anything the perceived "establishment" supports) is certainly indigenous -- and it is very important to not overlook this fact.

But many of its memes, and its various nuggets of disinformation do seem to be foreign imports. This isn't just an insinuation; sometimes the lineage can actually be traced word-for-word with statements originating from foreign sources (for example, "8 years of shelling the Donbas").

The memes don't create the sentiment. But they do seem to reinforce it, and provide it with a certain muscle and kick. While all the while maintaining the impression that it's all entirely homegrown.

And the farther one goes down the "multipolar" rabbit hole, the more often one encounters not just topical memes, but signature phrases lifted directly from known statements by Putin and Lavrov themselves. E.g. that Ukraine urgently needs to "denazify". The more hardcore types even have no qualms about using that precious phrase "Special Military Operation", with a touch of pride in their voice.

It's really genuinely weird, what's happening. What people don't realize is that none of this is happening by accident. It's a very specific craft that the Russian security services (in particular) have nurtured and developed, literally across generations, to create language that pushes people's buttons in this way.

The Western agencies and institutions have their own way of propaganda of course, but usually it's far more bland and boring (e.g. as to how NATO "supports fosters broader European integration" and all that).

Would we have the same kind of hivemind without Putin? There's always some kind of a hivemind -- but as applies to Eastern Europe, it does seem that the general climate of discourse was quite different before his ascendancy. And that it certainly took a very sharp, weird bend in the road after the start of Special Military Operation.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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That world is already here. Nothing you can do about it, might as well democratize access to the technology.

No it's not. We are not at the stage where reality is completely indistinguishable from fiction. We are still in the uncanny valley. Nothing is inevitable

Do you think China will stop here?

This is like trying to hide Photoshop from the public. Realistic AI generated videos and adversary-sponsored mass disinformation campaigns are 100% inevitable, even if the US labs stopped working on it today.

So, you might as well open access to it to blunt the effect, and make sure our own labs don't fall behind on the global stage.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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post #266

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Are Apple and other phone/camera makers working on ways to "sign" a video to say it's an unedited video from a camera? Does this exist now? Is it possible? I'm thinking of simple cryptographic signing of a file, rather than embedding watermarks into the content, but that's another option. I don't think it will solve the fake video onslaught, but it could help.

Leica M11 signs each photo. "Content Authority Initiative" https://leica-camera.com/en-US/news/partnership-greater-trus... Cute hack showing that its kinda useless unless the user-facing UX does a better job of actually knowing whether the certificate represents the manufacturer of the sensor (dude just uses a self signed cert with "Leica Camera AG" as the name. Clearly cryptography literacy is lagging behind... http…

Even if the certs were properly cryptographically vetted, you could just point the camera at a high-enough resolution screen displaying false content.
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