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US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by submeta »

WA wrote: post #299
submeta wrote: post #269

Media & social media is a tool in the Western World to manufacture consent. Ain't no room for alternative narratives or wordings. That's why the ruling class needs to either have full control over (social) media or ban it altogether. So much is clear after one year of genocide in the ME.

That is observable untrue. Social media thrives because of the lack of consent in the population. Social media amplifies dissent. That is why many people find these places so toxic.

Do you believe that META does not censor content? Or amplify specific views? Or suppress the reach of certain others?

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Post by OWMYT »

abeppu wrote: post #94
gpm wrote: post #82

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Do you have a source that the act is being interpreted by the government to include prohibiting network operators from serving traffic? That definitely seems like it would be a stretch given the text of the act The act prohibits > (A) Providing services to distribute, maintain, or update such foreign adversary controlled application (including any source code of such application) by means of a marketplace (including…

The "and not be allowed to host content on US servers" is kinda funny as a requirement in context. Prior to the law being passed IIUC TikTok had already put in a bunch of work to make sure American data was stored in the US, with a US cloud vendor, with access controls, which were to demonstrate that this data was not accessible to the Chinese. Serving in the US, with big US cloud partner was meant to be a way to cre…

I bet if it comes to that, a DNS pollution alone will drive down 80% of traffic.

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Post by kelnos »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #123
washadjeffmad wrote: post #77

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We shouldn't get into a dick measuring contest over who hides more from their citizens. That the Chinese have used our brain worm factories against us, infiltrated our domestic surveillance and wiretapping systems, and let themselves into our completely volitional infrastructure backdoors should only stimulate us to ask why we created such things in the first place. Where's our canary, again?

Oh, I agree, the USA shouldn’t ban TikTok like China shouldn’t have banned…almost all of the non-Chinese social media services. Neither is going to lead to a better market, tech landscape, and I don’t believe national security is a valid concern in any case. But I really meant what I said about china probably having pride in TikTok now, being banned by your competitor country really is an achievement. Nobody has even…

I don't think data on-shoring and better privacy controls solves the problem of a widely-used platform controlled by a company beholden to a totalitarian government that has likely been drooling over their ability to influence the political thought of their adversaries' citizens.

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Post by chvid »

OhioMan2943 wrote: post #167

This is one of the things in my lifetime that gives me the most optimism, alongisde the IRA Bill. as someone in Australia who strongly supports our recent U16 ban, I hope META gets removed/broken up for you guys soon after, at least for underage users. I'm 22 and often wish I had never been born into a world with social media, with the belief that it is one of the worst things we have ever made as a species. I know t…

That is a very naive take. Banning TikTok will make US big tech (Google and Meta) much more powerful and much harder for politicians to regulate.

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Post by 0points »

swarnie wrote: post #266
0points wrote: post #207

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Don't expect the world to change. On Jan 20, new office will start tearing up decisions.

I'm not one for the US Politics but i distinctly remember this being a keystone Trump policy last time around. Why would it change just a couple of years later?

I dont know. Ask him?

https://time.com/6900348/tiktok-ban-donald-trump-congress/

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Post by wiseowise »

jiehong wrote: post #258
wiseowise wrote: post #241

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Right. All nations have troll factories with hundred operators aimed to destabilize governments. https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2020/5/pd...

Three letters agencies

You mean KGB, or what?

I’ve lived for almost 30 years in post-Soviet space and never once I saw “we’re good, they’re bad” propaganda from the West. What I did see is an order of magnitude difference in income, quality of life and rights that people have.

So yeah, fuck Russia, fuck KGB and platforms that assist them with doing their dirty work.

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Post by OhioMan2943 »

perks_12 wrote: post #270
OhioMan2943 wrote: post #167

This is one of the things in my lifetime that gives me the most optimism, alongisde the IRA Bill. as someone in Australia who strongly supports our recent U16 ban, I hope META gets removed/broken up for you guys soon after, at least for underage users. I'm 22 and often wish I had never been born into a world with social media, with the belief that it is one of the worst things we have ever made as a species. I know t…

U16 ban? I'd argue that the highest risk in terms of Meta/IG comes from people aged 50 and up. Boomers who can't recognize fake news for shit taking everything at face value. The kids will be fine, their bullshit radars are evolving. Old people's don't.

Beggars can't be choosers :)

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Post by kelnos »

pixelatedindex wrote: post #210
jaimsam wrote: post #160

Too many elections are being influenced by the free exchange of ideas on TikTok -- best to shut it down if the U.S. corrupt government cannot control it. Who cares what the people think!?

Either you are being sarcastic or you forgot about the Cambridge Analytica incident. Elections can be influenced via the latest prevalent platform in a region. If it’s not TikTok, it’ll be Facebook / Instagram / YouTube.

Sure, but consider that we actually found out about Cambridge Analytica, Facebook got egg on its face, and made changes in how they share data as a result. (We can argue over how meaningful those changes were, of course.)

And on the other side, we have a company owned in part by entities that are beholden to every whim of the Chinese government. That's by design, and they can't change that, and have no motivation to change that.

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Post by ben_w »

kelnos wrote: post #240
intended wrote: post #236

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The success rates for MOOCs is usually lower than 5%. MOOCs were the holy grail - free, Quality, any time, education. And it still had single digit pass rates. ———- The people who are self motivated to learn, are probably people who move entire fields forward. They are likely very happy while learning. It’s an important part of human survival and existence. We can and should optimize for it. We are going to waste ene…

I don't think the GP was talking about MOOCs, but self-directed, unstructured learning. My teenage years on the internet before MOOCs were a thing, and I learned plenty.

While there's a lot of good learning material on the web, MOOC and other, I'm not sure it's an improvement over the alternatives — my mostly-pre-internet teenage years had me learn a lot from stuff I got from the library.

And sure, even just Wikipedia alone is bigger than most libraries, but as both are too large for one person, I'm just not convinced.

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Post by rdm_blackhole »

OhioMan2943 wrote: post #235
alfiedotwtf wrote: post #231

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lol… you must be new here. When has ANY digital initiative gone right the first time from any Australian government. The last time they tried censorship (aka Stephen Conroy) it was thwarted by a 15 year old and abandoned. Let’s not even talk about their current piracy website ban where all you need to do is point DNS to someone non-Australian.

I'm pretty aware of how inept our government is at these policies, and their surveillance state tendencies (eg undisclosed facial recognition testing at flinder street station). But at this point i think a malicious australian government is less of a threat to the public and our way of life and emotional prosperity than social media.

So your entire argument for supporting U16 ban is that despite knowing that:

- it will put every Australian's PII in the hands of people who have a bad track record on security - de anonymize the internet as we know it - make it easy for a foreign actor to break in (remember if there is a backdoor, it will be exploited) - increase the state's surveillance capabilities on their own citizens

All of this to do what exactly? Save democracy? Save the children? Can you prove that if we do that the outcome would be better than if we did nothing?

Do you have anything tangible in terms of proofs as to what outcome will be achieved?

My take is you don't because if you did, we would not be having this conversation.

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