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What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Post by atlintots »

tines wrote: post #238
JKCalhoun wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More or less lays out his motive right there. I disagree with his thoughts on violence. When you try to solve a problem by inviting violence to dinner you'll find you have a guest you are unable to excuse.

> I disagree with his thoughts on violence. When you try to solve a problem by inviting violence to dinner you'll find you have a guest you are unable to excuse. This is a pretty shallow opinion imo. The government operates on violence. America was founded in a violent revolution. The question people are asking isn't about whether violence has its place (it does); it's about how bad things have to get before you stop…

"Non-violence is a very non-functional approach in a society that's based entirely on organized force and violence."

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Post by autoexec »

siliconc0w wrote: post #291

Kinda amazing someone with enough foresight to plan this and conceal their identity doesn't burn their ID and destroy the weapon as like the priority 1 after getting out of the city.

If he planned to go after others he'd still need that gun, and he might have needed the IDs to get to his next target.

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Post by K0balt »

breadwinner wrote: post #44

He was carrying all of the evidence with him, including the fake ID he used at the hostel, the gun & suppressor, mask, and even a handwritten manifesto that points to his motivation. It seems he wanted to be found.

It’s all very convenient and airtight, very nicely packaged.

I’m not saying it’s not exactly what it looks like, just kinda makes me think huh. Either the perp really wanted to be caught, or someone really wants to close this case. I’m going with he wanted to be caught, since he’s apparently not an actual idiot.

So just a relatively smart privileged dude swept away by dark ideology? It wouldn’t be the first time. If there’s any more to it, we won’t likely know.

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Post by hbossy »

avalys wrote: post #13

> Police revealed that finding the 26-year-old was a complete surprise, and that they did not have his name on a list of suspects prior to today. "I'd rather be lucky than good!" Impressive that they do seem to have found the right guy, based on the documents in his possession, and this was apparently due solely to the one photograph of his face that the police found and released. I also note that this guy apparently…

"We dragged our feet as hard as we could, but some idiot decided to call us"

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Post by s1artibartfast »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #226
breadwinner wrote: post #156

He gave the Unabomber’s manifesto four stars on Goodreads, and described Unabomber as a "political revolutionary". Excerpts from his review: "It’s easy to quickly and thoughtless write this off as the manifesto of a lunatic, in order to avoid facing some of the uncomfortable problems it identifies. But it’s simply impossible to ignore how prescient many of his predictions about modern society turned out." "He was a v…

I don't see the point. The Unabomber manifesto had nothing to do with bombs. It is a commentary on the state of technology in society and a commentary on leftism.

You can't say it had nothing to do with them. At a minimum, the manifesto directly motivated them.

Im not a Kaczynski scholar, so maybe it is possible to embrace the philosophy and come to sperate conclusions, but that is rarely the case for manifestos. They usually make strong positive claims about the necessity and justification of the author's actions.

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Post by lelandbatey »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #223
JKCalhoun wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More or less lays out his motive right there. I disagree with his thoughts on violence. When you try to solve a problem by inviting violence to dinner you'll find you have a guest you are unable to excuse.

Violence is very effective. The authorities use it to subjugate the population and the American military uses the threat of violence and the action of actual violence to keep the United States the way it is. Except when it is used by governments, it is often called defense and when it is used by the police it is often called 'keeping the peace'. Violence as a tool for revolution is quite effective -- only pacifism is…

It's quite effective at causing _something_ to happen, but what that something is isn't controllable; the volatility in outcome can be sculpted via a lot of different approaches, but smaller actors have fewer tools to sculpt the outcome. And it's very easy to enter a state of total commitment from both sides no matter the other costs, essentially forcing other systems to be sacrificed toward what is now a "totally committed conflict." This happens on the small scale (person to person) and on the large scale (state to state). Violence forces shifts in every facet and system at every scale, shifts towards total commitments to more violence. Violence is the final means of trying to enact social change; there's nowhere else to go.

Those who've lived total commitment to violence are it's loudest opponents. I hope we can continue to listen to their stories.

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Post by draw_down »

breadwinner wrote: post #156

He gave the Unabomber’s manifesto four stars on Goodreads, and described Unabomber as a "political revolutionary". Excerpts from his review: "It’s easy to quickly and thoughtless write this off as the manifesto of a lunatic, in order to avoid facing some of the uncomfortable problems it identifies. But it’s simply impossible to ignore how prescient many of his predictions about modern society turned out." "He was a v…

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Post by tinyhouse »

lawlessone wrote: post #12

>Police revealed that finding the 26-year-old was a complete surprise, and that they did not have his name on a list of suspects prior to today So when they said they knew who he was yesterday it was a lie.

It's hard to believe that this is true. There seems to be enough people who knew him, from friends and family who were worried about him, to people who went to school or worked with him. Do you want to tell me that not even a single person identified him in the pictures and notified the police? Not to mention that his friends and family didn't know where he is, so it fit the narrative perfectly.

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Post by GuardianCaveman »

sfryxell wrote: post #287

Maaaan, The NYPD will take credit for oxygen. Right now their talking like they solved it. a "combination of old-school detective work and new age technology" it was an employee at McDonalds. McDonalds solved this crime. Like god intended.

It was actually a patron at McDonalds.

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Post by tomlockwood »

breadwinner wrote: post #44

He was carrying all of the evidence with him, including the fake ID he used at the hostel, the gun & suppressor, mask, and even a handwritten manifesto that points to his motivation. It seems he wanted to be found.

Maybe he was planning to do another.
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