Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing • Hacker News Board

Re: Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing

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Post by jjj123 » Sat, Dec 07, 2024, 9:01 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #298

jjj123 wrote: post #291

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Medicare for all is actually a very popular policy, with majority approval (across people who identify with both parties). M4A is nationalized health insurance if not quite nationalized healthcare, but the point remains that the only reason we don’t have major steps in this direction is because of people in power who will not let it happen.

No, it isn't. Like many other things, it's only popular in opinion polling, not at the ballot box.

Yes. My point is exactly that. People want nationalized healthcare, but once there’s layer upon layer of media propaganda and power plays by the donor class of both parties, the people don’t end up voting for (or don’t have the option to vote for) their own interests.

Re: Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing

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Post by joe_the_user » Sun, Dec 08, 2024, 7:51 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #163

joe_the_user wrote: post #160

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The entire health care system is broken but insurance companies tend to be the pain people experience so that's what people lash out at. But you don't expect someone dying from losing health care to shut up until they come up with rational cost management system? The point isn't that the average person needs to how to portion blame but that the health care system needs to stop treating people in the fashion it does.

That's a problem though when the blame is so screwy, because it leads people to solutions that are not solutions . Medicare itself drastically overpays for medical services compared to the G20. The biggest problem is with providers, and it's exactly stuff like anesthesiologists overbilling for surgeries.

Yes, the blame apportioned by the average person is screwy. But that should be clue to the experts with a more sophisticated view. What it should tell them is that health care reform schemes that rest on the average person exerting or responding to incentives are not going to work.

Re: Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing

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Post by justinclift » Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 7:39 AM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #299

justinclift wrote: post #258

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> Denied claims mean less profit for the insurer. If that were true then United Healthcare wouldn't have rolled out an automated system that (reportedly) denies ~90% of people regardless of their actual need.

I'm not going to stick up for UHC, which is an obnoxious company, but do you honestly believe UHC is denying 90% of claims? Have you thought the implications of that claim through?

> Have you thought the implications of that claim through?

The CEO getting shot seems to indicate it's probably more true than less true.

Re: Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing

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Post by locopati » Thu, Dec 12, 2024, 4:34 AM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #253

antisthenes wrote: post #252

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People are already paying for the healthcare one way or another, whether they understand it or not.

Oh, you can get a lot of stuff done if you just assume you know better than voters do and make the decisions for them.

The voters are for the most part uninformed, bordering on flat out ignorant. I feel safe in saying the experts who solve problems like this do know better than voters.