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Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Many of us simply don't want to live in expensive urbanized environments (especially in more desirable ones)--at least at many points in our lives, so yeah no.

Urbanization decreases costs.

How much does 160 acres of land cost in rural Kansas? Maybe $500,000? How much does 160 acres of land cost in Manhattan? Maybe $800,000,000?

Urbanization decreases some costs and increases others.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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We’ve had them in office before, plus plenty of public statements over the last 10 years. It’s not exactly baseless speculation. People have things to base their guesses on.

Let's not pretend everyone is aghast at the goals of this administration. We just had an election and these viewpoints resoundingly won the day. A non-trivial component to this election was this constant, smug nagging. "We know better, you're all so stupid". If you turn out to be right, enjoy your smug "I told you so", but until then - these views are a minority and are very tiring to constantly see/hear/read.

I don't know man?

The vote was like 50.1 to 48.2 at latest (accurate) count. Which is terrible news to everyone. Because, unless my math is wrong, that means there were more people who were so unmoved by either party that they couldn't be arsed to go out and vote, than there were voters for either party.

And all those people are pissed off.

Personally, I think stuff like comments on HN and Twitter are gonna be a good pressure valve over the next few years. Maybe even some Onion, Saturday Night Live and Daily Show for those masses. Because if those people ever get what they perceive to be a reason? I mean, they've already shown fairly consistently that they're no longer interested in the whole non-violent democratic norm of voting thing. And if a guy like Trump can't even bring them out, that means they're not at all interested in anything either side is selling.

After looking at those numbers, I guess I just wouldn't be so sure that the people making these comments are liberals. Or even independents for that matter. Independents on the sidelines are, at least, reasonable and vote. What we have boiling outside the stadium, so to speak, is something different entirely. And if they'll satisfy themselves yelling insults at the people inside the stadium then we should all probably let them. Don't make the mistake of thinking it's a bad thing.

If a lion starts chewing on your football, let it have the football. Don't be foolish. Just back away and go get another ball to continue your game with the opposing team.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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I really can't take such hyperbolic rhetoric seriously. I had someone try to claim we had "complete lockdown for years", which is news to me. We had one year of sporadically enforced lockdown-ish measures. Although, we did go out to eat a few times. Hell, I bought a house during end of 2020/beginning of 2021. By the time we closed, I was back in office, we weren't wearing masks, and people didn't seem too concerned.

Depends on where you lived. In some places they enforced longer lock downs and required vaccines to eat in public and this went on for years. Texas was different compared to Minnesota for example. Canada was locked down for a long time.. New Zealand too.

Congrats on the house.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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I suspect the biggest factor is speed. After getting used to EV for over a year, every ICE vehicle feels painfully sluggish and slow. If that's the case I'm curious to see how the numbers compare to other EVs.

> every ICE vehicle feels painfully sluggish and slow. You don't do much towing, do you?

Are you my in-laws?

We had to stop talking to them about the possibility of buying an EV because they kept bringing up irrational arguments like this one.

No matter how many times we reminded them that, in the two-plus decades we've been driving, we may have towed something maybe twice. Maybe.

One of our existing cars doesn't even have a towbar. The horror!

The irrational hatred / fear is real.

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>> but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this. Well, it cuts both ways. New administration should not be talking till they are in office.

That makes no sense

Many other countries have that. It’s like not giving you admin credentials before you contract start. But there’s no credential, the admin power comes from talking. And as a manager of managers, they has to restrain themselfes.

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> So, why are Teslas — and many other ostensibly safe cars on the list — involved in so many fatal crashes? “The models on this list likely reflect a combination of driver behavior

So people who drive Tesla are arse, got it.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Why is tiring to hear a minority especially in this forum?

Because you are sharing legacy media's views. We can turn on a tv for that.

In fairness, we can turn on a tv for any view. There's like a gazillion channels. Just pick your poison.

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I'd love to see some sort of multiple regression or ANOVA on this, instead of singling out a single variable. Is car brand really the best independent predictor? Or is it specific design decisions you tend to see in certain brands? (Like, say, maximizing driver distraction by consolidating a bunch of essential controls and information displays into a touchscreen display that's really difficult to operate when it's su…

> essential controls Can’t you drive a Tesla without it? I expect the screen was for radio, gps, AC… I agree those are distracting through.

Gear selection is done via the screen on a Model 3 [1]. Technically, there is a touchscreen button on the rearview mirror unit, but I doubt anybody actually uses that.

Alternatively, you can use the AI gear selector from park which guesses what direction you want to go.

[1] https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_eu/GUID-E9B387D...

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What makes sense to me is the top 3 cars: Tesla - autopilot that really isn't, gets fooled in many situations, driver lulled into not paying attention, can't react quickly enough when the computer bails, and ends up driving into a bridge abutment at 75mph. Kia - cheap cars built to minimum safety standards driven by young people who aren't very experienced drivers. Buick - cars driven by geriatrics whose declines in…

I'd also venture that the profile of Tesla drivers is also a factor along with those other two brands. I'd be pretty sure that Tesla owners collectively drive more aggressively than the average car on the road. Teslas aren't being driven by soccer moms and careful grandmas.

Does the insurance cost vary between two cars almost identical in every relevant points but the brand? Not a rhetorical question.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Because you are sharing legacy media's views. We can turn on a tv for that.

In fairness, we can turn on a tv for any view. There's like a gazillion channels. Just pick your poison.

Doesn’t Fox News routinely get the highest ratings too?
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