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Trump wins presidency for second time

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Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#301
Everyone is ignoring the obvious problem: Georgia is a state with 16 EV, and was targeted in 2020 with a scheme that resulted in multiple convictions across multiple states, with members of a conspiracy now serving prison time.

This scheme was in at least 7 states, but focused on Georgia. Although the government was already out looking for a repeat of it, Trump's illegal dealings seem to have been actually effective this time (at least for now, legal challenges in some states are apparently already being filed).

Trump repeatedly discussed via Truth Social and via multiple speeches and interviews that he was planning on doing it again, and had things in place to do it again. Trump also has multiple legal hurdles (a convicted 34 time felon, and facing another 54) that he still has to deal with.

We have no clue if he's been elected President, we don't know if he can serve (the issue with the disqualification clause of the 14th Amendment was never handled; the Supreme Court merely ruled that they can't keep him off the ballot, a very narrow ruling), and we don't know if he is going to be serving from a prison cell (since he cannot pardon himself).

What I don't get is why there are so many pro-Trump/anti-American puppet accounts on HN, especially ones that essentially claim Harris lost because shes a woman and/or because her message was one of facts, inclusion, and moving forwards instead of feelings, exclusion, and moving backwards.

She "lost" because people are bigoted, racist, and self-sabotaging and Trump resonates with them. She also "lost" because some states seem to have been lost by merely thousands of votes, and I know for a fucking fact some Democrats did not vote this year because she wasn't a 100% perfect ticks-all-the-boxes candidate for them; somehow Trump being convicted of being a rapist and also the ongoing issue with him having had sex with a 13 year old in 1994 wasn't enough for them.

If Trump becomes the revenge quest protagonist he claims he wants to be, every single Democrat that didn't vote this year, you may not deserve this, but you certainly did this to yourself (and by extension, to all of us).

I'd also like to thank dang for his hard work, I've been seeing a lot of the outright insane comments become dead, and I appreciate that.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#302

As a European, I’m trying to see the positive side of this situation. Here are a few thoughts: - It appears that Democrats are often seen as part of an "elite," which makes it difficult for people at home to relate to or understand their message. A full reset might be needed to bridge this gap. - Europe has long been under the shadow of the United States. Perhaps this could be a good start toward greater independence…

For me, the most positive outcome is the EUR to USD exchange rate. It's gonna be at least 1:1 pretty soon.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#304

From a game theoretical perspective this is a good result. It is a clear reiteration of the message to the Democrats: you won't win by claiming to be 0.1% less bad. The Democrats should have fielded a strong personality in their own right. This is not about left or right. It's about mobilizing people by giving them something to care about. "More of the same" and "not like that guy" isn't very enticing. I don't think…

>I don't think the policy positions even matter that much

I disagree hard. You should have a strong policy that people can believe in. When the average person sees that the price of certain groceries are 3x what they used to be, they stop caring about petty personal attacks.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#305

Not super worried from a European perspective, it might even spur on some cooperation in our own union, which I support. Just a bit nervous for Ukraine... I wish Europe could step up on that front but we just don't have the capacity for it. Which is entirely our own fault, Trump is right to call us out on our reliance on the US. It's our continent we should be the one spearheading this. Hopefully that will change in…

> Just a bit nervous for Ukraine...

> The democrats need to do some serious introspection on their policies and priorities. And perhaps just return to running a white male as candidate...

Considering that one of the main points of Trump's campaign was a swift end to Ukraine's war, and considering the large vote margin by which he won, I believe the lesson the democrats should learn is that most USAers don't want the USA to be involved in foreign wars.

By definition the democratic party should be able to read the population, right?

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#306
The big thing to remember is the election isn't over. I'm not talking about the president, but the house. Most of the things on the list of actions in the article, or list of concerns in the comments, will require congress to enact. We could still end up with a split congress. Even narrow majorities should imped the most extreme items. In my opinion, narrow majorities or a split is beneficial. It helps keep stuff from being rammed though without real thought or debate.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#307

As a European, I’m trying to see the positive side of this situation. Here are a few thoughts: - It appears that Democrats are often seen as part of an "elite," which makes it difficult for people at home to relate to or understand their message. A full reset might be needed to bridge this gap. - Europe has long been under the shadow of the United States. Perhaps this could be a good start toward greater independence…

Are there actual efforts or will to make a stronger Europe? Honest question

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#308
Parties basically switched sides this election. From 2008 to now: - Pro war party: Repubs -> Dems - Dick Cheney party: Repubs -> Dems - Elitist party: Repubs -> Dems - Working class party: Dems -> Repubs - Pro free speech party: Dems -> Repubs - Bigger spending party: Dems -> Repubs - Skeptical of large corps: Dems -> Repubs

There are some issues where they haven't switched (eg. abortion)

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#309
Keep in mind that "Union Joe" holding a pro-union EV summit in August 2021 arranged by anti-Tesla unions is what radicalized Elon Musk and a lot of the Silicon Valley billionaires to openly come out as right-wing.

The union members ended up voting for Trump.

American unions are a joke and should never be pandered to.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#310

As a European, I’m trying to see the positive side of this situation. Here are a few thoughts: - It appears that Democrats are often seen as part of an "elite," which makes it difficult for people at home to relate to or understand their message. A full reset might be needed to bridge this gap. - Europe has long been under the shadow of the United States. Perhaps this could be a good start toward greater independence…

Europe did (mostly) nothing during and after the previous Trump presidency. I don’t see how it could be different.

And it’s not like Europe was currently in a good state politically speaking.

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