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Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Strongly opposed to any sort of sanction regime that results in this.

Let me spell it out for you: If Project P in Country A is identified by Country B as a potential target for planting cyber-attack-enabling backdoors, Country B has an incentive to find people to put a backdoor in P. If Country B is a free country with rights and ethics, they will say "Help us put a backdoor in P. We'll pay you very well for services rendered," or try to get someone who already works for Country B int…

what next? removing all developers who have ever visited russia (because they have probably been told they would be tortured unless they put a backdoor)? removing all developers that have family ties to china? removing anyone who hasn't been born in US and who has family outside of US? if Linus father, who lives in Finland, visits Russia should Linus be removed then?

What you wrote is very logical but it doesn't explain who defines how "evil" the country is. And the answer is "US". All your 4 paragraphs could be rewritten with "US defines if you are worthy or not". Which sounds real and quite disappointing to many people who thought Linux is a shared effort of the humanity

I haven't followed the original events but I understand their actions. Probably they need to have "no russian developers" ticked for compliance for some defense contractor. So they have run "grep -rF .ru .git/" and found russian developers to remove to tick that requirement. I would have probably done the same -- it's easier to do it that to explain to many people why those people aren't evil

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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"Here, we'll hurt you so you'll go fight the guy who claims he's the only one protecting you from us." Has that strategy ever worked?

Russians had every opportunity to kick out nuclear gnome before sanctions kicked in, but alas.

western people had plenty of time to stop buying russian oil after the Crimea was stolen in 2014, but alas, they wanted to sponsor russian military and police so badly

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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> A underdeveloped second rate power just can't afford it... If Russia could've done what US did in Iraq they certainly would've.

Jesus. the arrogance.

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Probably the best thing that can happen to the kernel... this type of measure generally backfires spectacularly by giving talent the opportunity to thrive, if anything as a way to fight back against injustice and arbitrary decisions, or for sanctioned opposition to invest in resilience by dumping more money in things otherwise not consider a priority. I always thought Argentine music from the 80's and early 90s was l…

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Tell that to Palestinians or Afgani or Iraki or one of the many countries US invaded or where they financed coups and mass killings...

If Americans want to participate in international communities they are free to leave the US. Aren't they?

BTW Linus is Finnish and Sergey Mikhailovich Brin is Russian

The harsh reality is that the west is now that place where people think it's a crime to be born in a place instead of another...

I'll quote something for you

criminalizing individuals based on their place of birth or nationality is generally considered a violation of international human rights law. Principles of non-discrimination are central to international agreements like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. These treaties emphasize that all people, regardless of origin, have the right to equality before the law and protection from discrimination.

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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My sense is they simply believe it actually, drawing on sources that seem organic and Western to them; the propaganda is that effective. In any case: (1) there has never been a "civil war" in Ukraine in modern times; (2) Azov was formed in May 2014, well after Russia's invasions of both the Donbas and the Crimea were well underway; and (3) nevermind the rest.

You are wrong. Azov was formed on February 2024

And BTW, speaking about Azov:

In 2016, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch received several credible allegations of abuse and torture by the regiment. Reports published by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) documented looting of civilian homes and unlawful detention and torture of civilians between September 2014 and February 2015 "by Ukrainian armed forces and the Azov regiment in and around Shyrokyne".

Another OHCHR report documented an instance of rape and torture, writing: "A man with a mental disability was subject to cruel treatment, rape and other forms of sexual violence by 8 to 10 members of the 'Azov' and the 'Donbas' battalions (both Ukrainian battalions) in August–September 2014. The victim's health subsequently deteriorated and he was hospitalized in a psychiatric hospital." A report from January 2015 stated that a Donetsk People's Republic supporter was detained and tortured with electricity and waterboarding and struck repeatedly on his genitals, which resulted in his confessing to spying for pro-Russian militants.

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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My sense is they simply believe it actually, drawing on sources that seem organic and Western to them; the propaganda is that effective. In any case: (1) there has never been a "civil war" in Ukraine in modern times; (2) Azov was formed in May 2014, well after Russia's invasions of both the Donbas and the Crimea were well underway; and (3) nevermind the rest.

You are wrong. Azov was formed on February 2024 And BTW, speaking about Azov: In 2016, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch received several credible allegations of abuse and torture by the regiment. Reports published by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) documented looting of civilian homes and unlawful detention and torture of civilians between September 2014 and Feb…

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Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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I guess you can tell the same to the russian speaking people of Donbas that have been bombarded by Azov before Russia entered the Ukrainian civil war.

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You don't tell me! Can I get paid for this? How much do you charge?

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You are wrong. Azov was formed on February 2024 And BTW, speaking about Azov: In 2016, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch received several credible allegations of abuse and torture by the regiment. Reports published by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) documented looting of civilian homes and unlawful detention and torture of civilians between September 2014 and Feb…

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