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Post by rrr_oh_man »

mlnj wrote: post #208
bartread wrote: post #173

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Stop drinking the koolaid, will you? I didn't get into software development to spend my entire time focussed on fixing broken processes. I'd bet almost none of us did. I got into it because I like building software and, more than that, I like building high quality software. At the end of the day it comes down to this: I've worked a bunch of different places over 25 years. I've seen a lot of different processes but, c…

Every single time this gets brought up we see the Agile defenders come up with "It's not agile, it's literally anything else.". All I can say is if this is the common denominator...

"It's not real communism..."

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Post by corytheboyd »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #118
xyst wrote: post #80

I wonder what’s the most polished or “sanded” UI out there? You would think FAANG would have a half decent UI and UX with the amount of money they have. But anybody that has used Amazon.com or AWS, GCP, or even Azure would beg to differ. Personally, off the top of my head. The most polished UI/UX has to be “mcmaster.com”. I can find anything I need in what seems like a couple minutes. Compare this to big box stores l…

FastMail has one of the best-feeling web apps I've ever used. It's incredibly snappy and I never encountered any bugs while using it. They raised the bar for what I thought a web app could achieve.

Agree! Only bummer is when I want to create calendar events and reference email details, or vice versa. On desktop it’s easy enough to have two tabs, but on mobile, it’s a pain. I get why it is the way it is, but we are talking about exceptional UX here, and I think there is room for improvement.

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rollcat wrote: post #235
userbinator wrote: post #121

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I wonder what’s the most polished or “sanded” UI out there? Windows 2000. Everything newer has been slowly downhill.

I really wish we had something resembling a "native" UI toolkit, but for the web. Just throw together a couple s or es with absolutely zero additional JS/CSS, but have it actually look & work moderately decent, the way SwiftUI does. CSS is too powerful, OOB HTML is too basic/ugly.

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Post by corytheboyd »

aetherspawn wrote: post #83

This is so lost in Agile. Engineers should get the time to “sand” their products, but we just don’t. If QA doesn’t make a ticket for the space between, it’ll never get fixed. The customer probably notices this kind of a thing but it’s a miracle if the customer bothers to report it, and another miracle if it eventually turns into a ticket, and another miracle if someone prioritises it enough to spend time fixing it. […

When it’s something this trivially small, why don’t you just… do it? So long as you can demonstrate your ability to deliver on “real” work, why not just knock these tiny things out too if you can? Work it into an adjacent change if that comes up. “But my manager and PM and CEO all say this is ILLEGAL TO DO” always seems to be the answer… but if your company isn’t completely rotten to the core with toxic waste, I don’t think anyone is going to axe you for making small microscopic incremental product improvements…

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Post by VeejayRampay »

we need to stop pretending that CSS is awesome though, it's been in use for about twenty five years now, keeps reinventing itself and still fails at simple things (as exhibited in this example)

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Post by janaagaard »

aetherspawn wrote: post #83

This is so lost in Agile. Engineers should get the time to “sand” their products, but we just don’t. If QA doesn’t make a ticket for the space between, it’ll never get fixed. The customer probably notices this kind of a thing but it’s a miracle if the customer bothers to report it, and another miracle if it eventually turns into a ticket, and another miracle if someone prioritises it enough to spend time fixing it. […

> This is so lost in Agile.

My personal experience is that you have to blame the people and not the method.

I would define my current project as very agile in the sense that we only have details plan for what to do a week ahead at the time. Each week the team has an hour long meeting where we present what we have done, and discuss if it's good enough. If something like a hover region is found to be wrong it will get fixed for next week. If you find this issue while working on something else, you make task and PR and just fix these smalls things. I feel like this way of working is what what meant by the people who invented the idea of making software development agile.

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Post by ansgri »

rollcat wrote: post #235
userbinator wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder what’s the most polished or “sanded” UI out there? Windows 2000. Everything newer has been slowly downhill.

I really wish we had something resembling a "native" UI toolkit, but for the web. Just throw together a couple s or es with absolutely zero additional JS/CSS, but have it actually look & work moderately decent, the way SwiftUI does. CSS is too powerful, OOB HTML is too basic/ugly.

Bootstrap started as something like this, but it both evolved too quickly IMO, and for some reason a generic look on the web is considered bad (by who? marketing? designers? even users as they think lack of distinctive style means lack of developer skills?)

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Post by llama_drama »

DustinBrett wrote: post #44

I've been "sanding" my personal website ( https://dustinbrett.com ) for nearly 4 years now, and it feels like it could go on forever. Luckily I enjoy working on it.

Looks really cool. One thing that I found missing is that I can't use mouse4/mouse5 in explorer. "Sanding" really could go on forever.

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Post by EmilStenstrom »

dsissitka wrote: post #151
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #118

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FastMail has one of the best-feeling web apps I've ever used. It's incredibly snappy and I never encountered any bugs while using it. They raised the bar for what I thought a web app could achieve.

I think the only thing I really dislike about Fastmail's UI is they've hidden the "Report phishing" and "Report spam" links and they're in two completely different places.

Agreed. And that you can't mark a folder as read. Everything else is stellar.

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Post by shepherdjerred »

mrighele wrote: post #285
xyst wrote: post #80

I wonder what’s the most polished or “sanded” UI out there? You would think FAANG would have a half decent UI and UX with the amount of money they have. But anybody that has used Amazon.com or AWS, GCP, or even Azure would beg to differ. Personally, off the top of my head. The most polished UI/UX has to be “mcmaster.com”. I can find anything I need in what seems like a couple minutes. Compare this to big box stores l…

> You would think FAANG would have a half decent UI and UX with the amount of money they have. There is no point in sanding something that someone else is using hammer and chisel on. FAANGS are the companies of continuously delivered websites, self-updating evergreen software, churners of framework-du-jour that are deprecated sooner than you can say "FAANG". Even if took the time to sand something, it would be replac…

I have no idea where you got this idea from. Can you give some examples showing that switching to a new framework is a common at FANGs?

Yes, frontend moves quickly and there is a new framework every day. No, most products teams at FANGs are not rewriting frontends in a new framework every year.

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