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many many teams are actively building SOTA systems to do this in ways previously unimagined. you can enqueue tasks and do whatever you want. I gotta say as a current gen LLM programmer person, I can completely appreciate how bad they are now - I recently tweeted about how I "swore off" AI tools but like... there are many ways to bootstrap very powerful software or ML systems around or inside these existing models tha…
“building” is the easy part
Notes on OpenAI's new o1 chain-of-thought models
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Re: Notes on OpenAI's new o1 chain-of-thought models
#302> I asked on Twitter for examples of prompts that people had found which failed on GPT-4o but worked on o1-preview. it seems trivial, but I tried for more than 2 hours in the past to get gpt4 to play tic-tac-toe optimally and failed (CoT prompt,etc.). The result were too many illegal moves and absolutely no optimal strategy. o1-preview can do it really well [1] However, when I use a non-standard grid (3x5) it fails t…
I think it's much simpler than that.
1. With enough training data you can know all winning, losing and drawn games of tic-tac-toe. Even if you don't see all of them in your training data, the properties of the game, make a lot of games equivalent if you don't care about the symbol being used for each player or the rotated/reflected version of the same game.
2. The game is so common that it's definitely well represented in training data.
3. With extra "reasoning steps" there can be a certain amount of error correction on the logic now. But it's still not equivalent to spatial reasoning, but it can try a few patterns to see which will win.
4. 3x5 grid is probably uncommon enough that the training data doesn't cover enough games that it can properly extrapolate from there. But it can still with a certain probability check the rules (3 in a row/diagonal/column for winning).
5. It might be good to also test alternative grids with more or less than 3 in the other dimension as well, since this necessitates a rule change. Which would make it more difficult to reason about it.
Re: Notes on OpenAI's new o1 chain-of-thought models
#303The theory is that this solves the data shortage problem, they can generate a ton of chain of reasoning data from what we already have. True iterative improvement, like out of a science fiction novel These models are going to get embedded deeply into IDE's, like cursor has, and essentially end software development as we know it. A properly written requirements spec, and an engineer, can do the work of 5. Software eng…
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#304Re: Notes on OpenAI's new o1 chain-of-thought models
#305It's interesting to note that there's really two things going on here: 1. A LLM (probably a finetuned GPT-4o) trained specifically to read and emit good chain-of-thought prompts. 2. Runtime code that iteratively re-prompts the model with the chain of thought so far. This sounds like it includes loops, branches and backtracking. This is not "the model", it's regular code invoking the model. Interesting that OpenAI is…
this is why i became skeptical of openai's claims if they shared the COT the grift wont work its just RL
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There is no ambiguity, the problem is that three numbers, divided together, without the order specified, must be equal to their sum. You can find solutions for a / b / c, or b / c / a, or c / a / b, any combination of them and the solution will be correct according to the problem description. Besides, what's does it even has to do with it concluding with confidence: "The fundamental issue is that division tends to ma…
> There is no ambiguity Yet you give three different interpretations: > You can find solutions for a / b / c, or b / c / a, or c / a / b This is a clear case of ambiguity. Even the classic question is ambiguous: "Which 3 numbers give the same result when added or multiplied together?" Lets say the three numbers are x, y and z and the result is r. A valid interpretation would be to multiply/add every pair of numbers:…
Logically speaking, the original problem has just one interpretation, i hope you would agree it is by no means ambiguous:
((a / b / c) = a + b + c) | ((a / c / b) = a + b + c) | ((b / a / c) = a + b + c) | ((b / c / a) = a + b + c) | ((c / a / b) = a + b + c) | ((c / b / a) = a + b + c) | ...(other 6 combinations) = true
This interpretation would indeed find all possible solutions to the problem, accounting for any potential ambiguity in the division order.
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I honestly can’t believe this is the hyped up “strawberry” everyone was claiming is pretty much AGI. Senior employees leaving due to its powers being so extreme I’m in the “probabilistic token generators aren’t intelligence” camp so I don’t actually believe in AGI, but I’ll be honest the never ending rumors / chatter almost got to me Remember, this is the model some media outlet reported recently that is so powerful…
> probabilistic token generators aren’t intelligence Maybe this has been extensively discussed before, but since I've lived under a rock: which parts of intelligence do you think are not representable as conditional probability distributions?
Maybe I'm wrong here but a lot of our brilliance comes from acting against the statistical consensus. What I mean is, Nicolaus Copernicus probably consumed a lot of knowledge on how the Earth is the center of the universe etc. and probably nothing contradicting that notion. Can a LLM do that ?
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I think they are saying they have invented the screwdriver. We have all been using, hammers to sink screws, but if you try this new tool it may be better. However, you will still encounter a lot of nails.
It's more like they're saying they have invented the screwdriver, but they haven't invented screws yet. But it doesn't feel right. It's unlikely the screwdriver would come first, and then people would go around looking for things to use it with, no?
Now they need people to write software that uses this capability to perform useful tasks, such as text processing, working with spreadsheets and providing new ways of communication.
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Intelligent? Just ask ChatGPT How many Rs are in strawberry?
https://chatgpt.com/share/66e3f9e1-2cb4-8009-83ce-090068b163... Keep up, that was last week's gotcha, with the old model.
That's ok for humans but not for machines.