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Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by phil21 » Mon, Sep 09, 2024, 9:08 PM UTC

ghaff wrote: post #271

iteratethis wrote: post #258

I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million…

>If the iPhone would have true user-swappable batteries, their business would collapse. I was with you up to there. Do you really think that people are so lazy or stupid that they wouldn't go to any of the zillion battery replacement places (including Apple Stores) rather than buying a new $1K-$1.5K device?

Yes. Because it’s a giant pita to drop your phone off and be without it for an indefinite period of time (if something goes wrong). For a device worth a couple hundred dollars it typically makes more sense to trade it in and simply upgrade.

Especially if you are paranoid and refuse to hand a third party your phone full of private data. If I need to wipe and restore that is a huge time sink I’d rather future proof against.

It’s the pain and uncertainty factor.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by bouke » Mon, Sep 09, 2024, 9:08 PM UTC

colechristensen wrote: post #277

GenerocUsername wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is a trillion dollar battery company.

The joke I want to make is they make phones that are as fragile as glass and that's why people replace them so often... but they actually make phones out of glass that are stupidly fragile. It's equally stupid that you have to buy this thing and put a protective case on it that increases it's size x%. Why is the back of my phone glass. Why does the front of my phone have 0 protection from the glass hitting whatever i…

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Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by zombiwoof » Mon, Sep 09, 2024, 9:08 PM UTC

swyx wrote: post #189

panarky wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Insanely good ideas"? With the months of nonstop and over-the-top hype of "Apple Intelligence" these all seem underwhelming. Even in the idealized world of demoware there's no killer feature, not to mention that none of it is even available to real customers yet. I was expecting something only Apple could do with their vast ecosystem of IP and partnerships, the must-have cool new thing that would stimulate a leap in…

1) i am as ready to shit on apple and siri as the next guy, but imo the HN cynicism is overbearing here. apple isnt building to impress internet neckbeards like us. they are building for the normies. features they understand intuitively and cannot fuck up. maybe wait til it gets in the normies hands to judge. ~none of us here know what its like to work on a hardware/software platform for >1 billion? people. 2) i actu…

I agree but all the normies I know say Siri is shit or just have it disabled

They aren’t that dumb to think calling it now Apple intelligence powered will make Siri work

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by jazzyjackson » Mon, Sep 09, 2024, 9:08 PM UTC

peab wrote: post #289

IgorPartola wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real advancements majority of users would notice: - Get rid of green text when messaging Android phones - More battery life. - Better camera (arguably already achieved) - lesser issue but fix the stupid bugs with storage/duplication with pictures and messages. I am already paying for a TB level plan with iCloud. How can my phone possibly run out of storage? That’s it. All the AI stuff is marginal at best and usel…

where'd you see no more green text?

iOS 18 (available for all iphones since 2nd gen SE) will support RCS

I don't actually know how this will be implemented into iMessage but it's supposed to bring feature parity between android and apple.

EDIT: looks like still green bubbles https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/apples-rcs-texting-starts-i...

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by zombiwoof » Mon, Sep 09, 2024, 9:09 PM UTC

015a wrote: post #286

swyx wrote: post #113

i clipped the 5 mins on apple intelligence here for those interested https://x.com/swyx/status/1833231875537850659 notes: - photos/album search now includes video understanding, which imo seems very good from the first 2 examples they showed. includes scroll to exact time of the moment you describe. - Mail and Notifications will show summaries instead of str[:x] - Siri now knows iPhone, becomes the ultimate manual on…

I have this sinking suspicion that the AI segment today was so quick, so high level, and so future-tense ("Siri will be able to..."), identical to the similar segment at WWDC; I have to wonder how many of these features we'll actually see. I'm getting vibes like the old "Facetime will be an open protocol" promise; its like someone is making them do this, their soul isn't in it, and for that reason they still don't ha…

I think Apple will be the first to realize nobody wants to pay for “ai features”, and they are hella expensive to support

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Sep 09, 2024, 9:10 PM UTC

IgorPartola wrote: post #284

iteratethis wrote: post #258

I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million…

The real advancements majority of users would notice: - Get rid of green text when messaging Android phones - More battery life. - Better camera (arguably already achieved) - lesser issue but fix the stupid bugs with storage/duplication with pictures and messages. I am already paying for a TB level plan with iCloud. How can my phone possibly run out of storage? That’s it. All the AI stuff is marginal at best and usel…

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Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by strongpigeon » Mon, Sep 09, 2024, 9:10 PM UTC

I’m probably in the minority, but a thing I’d love to see is a much stronger flashlight. It’s silly, but the flashlight is something I use almost daily and having a more powerful one would be quite useful.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by nemothekid » Mon, Sep 09, 2024, 9:10 PM UTC

colechristensen wrote: post #277

GenerocUsername wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is a trillion dollar battery company.

The joke I want to make is they make phones that are as fragile as glass and that's why people replace them so often... but they actually make phones out of glass that are stupidly fragile. It's equally stupid that you have to buy this thing and put a protective case on it that increases it's size x%. Why is the back of my phone glass. Why does the front of my phone have 0 protection from the glass hitting whatever i…

I have been using the iPhone without a case since the iPhone 6. I think the fragility of iPhone displays is incredibly overblown. The idea that Apple is purposefully making the displays "weak" is unfounded.

People buy cases because they feel their $1,000 slab of metal must be protected.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by markus_zhang » Mon, Sep 09, 2024, 9:11 PM UTC

iteratethis wrote: post #258

I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million…

They have to keep adding new features because what to do otherwise? I have long lost interest of the mobile world. Battery life and some rams to run some apps are all I need.

The general customers definitely want more. They are getting excited by AI in camera apps (existed before the AI hype) and other stuffs.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by cmeacham98 » Mon, Sep 09, 2024, 9:11 PM UTC

iteratethis wrote: post #258

I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million…

> She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion.

I find this example interesting, because on the android side I would rank these two in the top 10 _most_ notable improvements made to phones in the last 5-10 years.

I have had multiple "normies" use my phone in the last few years and ask why it felt so smooth - and every time the difference between my phone and theirs has been a higher refresh rate display (what apple calls "ProMotion").