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Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by almatabata »

paxys wrote: post #281

> The company counted an average of only 42 employees in 2023, down from 61 two years earlier. During the year, it generated $31MM in net revenue per employee (13-28x that of Amazon, Apple, Google, and Microsoft) and $15.5MM in operating profit (27-560x). This is the wildest part. One company that is proving all the "why does need 10000 engineers?" takes true.

It does not. These companies do not even work in the same problem space. Amazon works in retail, cloud, book publishing, etc. Microsoft maintains their own cloud as well and a complete operating system.

At least compare it to companies with similar businesses. I would argue twitch seems closer. I think they had over 1000 employees. You would have a better point with that comparison if you would want to make that argument.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by paulryanrogers »

broken-kebab wrote: post #234
tessierashpool9 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

same here, i think some people are just a little too submissive and uncritical to the so called rules of society. also engaging in porn or even prostitution isn't really "selling" of one's body.

Those rules aren't taken from the thin air though. It's really easy to argue that sexual gedonism is detrimental to society, and its online incarnation is even more so: as any addiction it steals productive time from people's lives, it puts hormones over culture which patently breeds violence, it leads to social atomization, and consequently to mental issues (which means violence again), economically bad on a level c…

Citation needed

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by ath3nd »

zakki wrote: post #278
prmoustache wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> where every problem is solved with sex. Would it be a problem?

Yes. Till this day Bonobo has no invention. Do you like this kind of society?

One could argue that it's better to have no inventions than inventing the following:

- the Spanish inquisition

- jihad/crusades

- guns

- PFAS

- agent orange

- iron maiden (not the band, the torture device)

- the atomic bomb

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by gembeMx »

GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #214
listless wrote: post #90

Is anyone willing to admit they subscribe to an OF and explain why over the free pornography alternatives that most of the internet is full of?

None of these commenters actually use OnlyFans, because there's literally a free tier option to subscribe. You still need a credit card to sign up because they obviously want to reduce the friction for subscribing or paying for extra content. I've seen a lot of models that will use Twitter > Free OF > Paid OF funnel. Twitter is mostly soft-core / flirty, Free OF has some nudity, typically no videos, and the Paid OF i…

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Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by paulryanrogers »

seper8 wrote: post #258
Freak_NL wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sex work will never go away. The only way forward is to make sure it can be done safely and legally. Consider the sex workers who deal with mentally or physically disabled adults. Most people have sexual urges, and those who are unable to participate in society in the usual way of addressing their urges with a romantic partner or a one-night stand still have them. There are a good number of very professional sex work…

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If she's safe, successful, healthy, and doing it of her own free will then why not be happy?

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by licnep »

GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #214
listless wrote: post #90

Is anyone willing to admit they subscribe to an OF and explain why over the free pornography alternatives that most of the internet is full of?

None of these commenters actually use OnlyFans, because there's literally a free tier option to subscribe. You still need a credit card to sign up because they obviously want to reduce the friction for subscribing or paying for extra content. I've seen a lot of models that will use Twitter > Free OF > Paid OF funnel. Twitter is mostly soft-core / flirty, Free OF has some nudity, typically no videos, and the Paid OF i…

> Context: I have a side business deploying chat LLMs for OnlyFans models for fans to "talk" to

How did you market this? Do you have a website for it?

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by ghaff »

almatabata wrote: post #301
paxys wrote: post #281

> The company counted an average of only 42 employees in 2023, down from 61 two years earlier. During the year, it generated $31MM in net revenue per employee (13-28x that of Amazon, Apple, Google, and Microsoft) and $15.5MM in operating profit (27-560x). This is the wildest part. One company that is proving all the "why does need 10000 engineers?" takes true.

It does not. These companies do not even work in the same problem space. Amazon works in retail, cloud, book publishing, etc. Microsoft maintains their own cloud as well and a complete operating system. At least compare it to companies with similar businesses. I would argue twitch seems closer. I think they had over 1000 employees. You would have a better point with that comparison if you would want to make that argu…

I'm going to say more or less the same thing in a different way. As you scale up to do more and different things, your efficiency at some level is going to go down. Maybe way down.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by magic123_ »

paxys wrote: post #297
RandomThoughts3 wrote: post #242

What I find fascinating/disturbing with OnlyFans and in some way with Twitch and streaming in general is more the client side than the creators. Here are basically people paying, and paying a lot, for parasocial relationships. Because clearly it’s not about the content per see which is a dim a dozen and available for free in trove. I think it says something quite dark about our society as a whole that we have basical…

It's way worse in the case of YouTube/Twitch than OnlyFans IMO. People have been paying for pornography/sex for millennia. It's just part of human nature. On the other hand an 11 year old throwing money at MrBeast...why?

While I agree with the general sentiment of your comment, the specific example you used is not really relevant: MrBeast is not on twitch, and his revenue comes from youtube ads and brand partnerships. He also has 'classic' merch and several companies (burgers, chocolate bars), but he doesn't bring in any money from subscriptions/donations the way twitch streamers or onlyfan creators do.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by itishappy »

SecretDreams wrote: post #296
makeitdouble wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because clearly it’s not about the content per see which is a dim a dozen and available for free in trove. I think you should step back and look at it with a bit of distance. Is the content they're paying for really the same as you think is available for free, and do they even get it under the same conditions, in morality and circumstance. Not knowing your life, it feels like you could have said the same towards pe…

But the OP is right about the parasocial aspect. OF content and other such platforms is about the personalization aspect. Sure, there's some kinks/fetishes too.. but it is primarily about engagement. In some ways, it's just an explicit, subscription based, social media platform where it feels like you're being treated uniquely... But most times you are not.

How is that particularly different from, say, concerts? The social aspects are what drives value.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by GaryNumanVevo »

licnep wrote: post #306
GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of these commenters actually use OnlyFans, because there's literally a free tier option to subscribe. You still need a credit card to sign up because they obviously want to reduce the friction for subscribing or paying for extra content. I've seen a lot of models that will use Twitter > Free OF > Paid OF funnel. Twitter is mostly soft-core / flirty, Free OF has some nudity, typically no videos, and the Paid OF i…

> Context: I have a side business deploying chat LLMs for OnlyFans models for fans to "talk" to How did you market this? Do you have a website for it?

No website or advertising. All word of mouth / cold emailing.
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