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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by bigbones »

heraldgeezer wrote: post #239

EU themselves recommend Signal. That is even stronger as it is end-to-end encrypted by default. https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-commission-to-staff-switc... >The European Commission has told its staff to start using Signal, an end-to-end-encrypted messaging app, in a push to increase the security of its communications.

Except for any media you post which end up as a unique key behind CloudFlare or Google Cloud load balancers. They may not reveal your chats, but they certainly export your metadata (i.e. list of devices fetching and putting a key) to the worst possible parties

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Post by Grammrr »

gck1 wrote: post #258

Funny story - there were some protests in my country some months ago. We're a semi-autocratic country on the verge of becoming a dictatorship. During the protests, the government used masked 'civilians,' or what you'd call 'titushkis,' to beat up activists at their home addresses or elsewhere in public. We were also getting calls from fake numbers on our personal numbers with threats. A channel was created on Telegra…

And what app was used by the protestors to communicate with one another?

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Post by sega_sai »

wkat4242 wrote: post #196
chad1n wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU has been complaining about Telegram's end-to-end encryption for a long time and they want to implement some regulations to basically add backdoors into all messaging apps. I don't really see how this case will go on since at least private chats are encrypted so Telegram (theoretically at least) can't see the contents.

Except Telegram has much less E2EE than Signal or Whatsapp. It's not on by default, works only between 2 devices, they both have to be online at the same time and you can't access anything from the web. And group chats don't support it at all. Private chats are not end to end encrypted by default and it's actually quite clumsy to encrypt them so almost nobody uses it. It's really weird that Telegram is singled out li…

Because Telegram is not just a messenger, it's a platform for distributing news/info through channels. Signal simply does not have that.

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Post by phtrivier »

chad1n wrote: post #3

From Telegram sources: >Pavel Durov faces up to 20 years in prison in France. The trial will take place very soon – sources close to the investigation. In addition to drug trafficking, he is accused of collaborating with an organized crime group, covering up for pedophiles, fraud and money laundering. I don't know how reliable this is, but I've seen in 3-4 sources that he's arrested for terrorism, child abuse, drug t…

I would be very surprised if the _trial_ was to take place "very soon". (Trials hardly ever take place "very soon" in France.)

However, I could imagine him staying in custody while being investigated for a couple days, then quickly facing some level of judge to decide whether he has to stay in jail or can be released.

Once this is done, don't expect a formal trial until multiple months (and most realistically, at least a year.)

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Post by mmsc »

compiler-devel wrote: post #294
mmsc wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canada is not "a semi-autocratic country on the verge of becoming a dictatorship."

It isn’t? I’m sure the railway workers who were just forced back to work would disagree.

I'm sure if those workers picked up a dictionary and looked up the word dictatorship, they would agree. They have a vote. One person does not rule the country.

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Post by qingcharles »

chad1n wrote: post #3

From Telegram sources: >Pavel Durov faces up to 20 years in prison in France. The trial will take place very soon – sources close to the investigation. In addition to drug trafficking, he is accused of collaborating with an organized crime group, covering up for pedophiles, fraud and money laundering. I don't know how reliable this is, but I've seen in 3-4 sources that he's arrested for terrorism, child abuse, drug t…

The trial will take place soon?

That seems very unlikely. I don't think France has a statutory number of days in their speedy trial right, so even if you demand trial as you walk in the door, for a serious trial of this size, with this many charges, my experience is saying one to two years for trial.

Now, France does have more rights on pre-trial detention, so he might be able to get some sort of bail, but he's an enormously high flight risk, so.. maybe not.

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Post by Svoka »

gck1 wrote: post #258

Funny story - there were some protests in my country some months ago. We're a semi-autocratic country on the verge of becoming a dictatorship. During the protests, the government used masked 'civilians,' or what you'd call 'titushkis,' to beat up activists at their home addresses or elsewhere in public. We were also getting calls from fake numbers on our personal numbers with threats. A channel was created on Telegra…

Unfortunately telegram actively engaging with russian govenment. Since 2022 it became nothing but a propaganda tool itself.

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Post by jakeinspace »

mc32 wrote: post #117

It’ll be interesting to see if the likes of Marlinspike, Firefox, EFF, etc., rally to support this guy. It’s really chilling to see the steps EU gobs are taking against free speech. In some ways they seem more authoritarian than even China and Russia. It’s like “free world” is becoming a farce.

Not sure what they can do, he’s worth ten times what all those groups are together, so I doubt he’ll have an issue with legal costs.

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Post by sangnoir »

rubymamis wrote: post #97
EduardoBautista wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are they going to arrest Zuckerberg and Tim Cook next for the encryption in WhatsApp and iMessage?

Maybe not, if they already got backdoors?

If Apple hypothetically agreed to iMessage backdoors, why would you trust the Telegram app updates served up by Apple's app store? Western government's can pretty much hack into any device they want - the only reason for backdooring messaging apps would be for dragnet surveillance, and I don't see big tech having the appetite for the bad publicity and lawsuits that will result when that inevitably becomes public
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