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I've built my first successful side project, and I hate it

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Re: I've built my first successful side project, and I hate it

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Customer support isn't paid well, so they often aren't motivated to become very skilled beyond the level of a chatbot before they move on to other things. So the interface to bad docs doesn't matter much. And good docs are very hard to produce. AI magnifies problems when good docs are lacking.

> Customer support isn't paid well "We choose not to pay customer support well". I've worked at companies where customer support was both strongly supported, paid well and given the tools to do their jobs well. They were incredible.

Microsoft used to have some managers do support calls. Absolutely amazing service.

Re: I've built my first successful side project, and I hate it

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The amount of fraud and scammers out there is insane. I worked on a platform that only had a few hundred in revenue a month (just starting out). We did many smaller transactions, and getting hit with disputes was a killer. If someone did 15 transactions, they could get hit with 15 chargebacks up to 3 months later. So for every transaction, even if it only generated $3 in revenue, the chargeback could be potentially $…

Chargebacks are a creditcard thing. In some countries people are willing to pay with methods that do not allow chargebacks. Also chargebacks do not work for wiretranfers. So you can ask them to do a wire transfer instead

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Re: I've built my first successful side project, and I hate it

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We’ve also seen customer support inquiries, and in general quality of our customers, rise with an increase in price. It doesn’t make sense as an end consumer, but B2B lens it makes sense. If a business can afford the higher price tag, they most likely would rather have a hands off approach for the problem they’re trying to solve (in a service based business) Many of our mid and lower tier customers want everything dr…

> We’ve also seen customer support inquiries, and in general quality of our customers, rise with an increase in price. Yes, but it should be noted that the price is acting as a filter to exclude a subset of customers, reducing overall customer count. Obviously it's easier to have 100 customers paying $100/month than to have 1000 customers paying $10/month, but finding those tradeoff points can be hard. It takes time…

I tried offering both price points with no difference except the honor system on affordability and a lot of people voluntarily choose the higher price

Re: I've built my first successful side project, and I hate it

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I've noticed a lot of the world has no idea how little they matter relative to the opportunity cost they impose.

Like you see Karens complaining about their experience with something. They represent at most $100s of ARR. For a great engineer that means they should spend maybe 5 minutes looking into their issue and "helping". Sure, in aggregate it adds up. But on an N of 1, nope.

It makes common sense to some people that if they want a plumber to come look at their leak, they have to pay the person to even show up and look. Even if the plumber does nothing it's gonna be $100+

So, when someone complains about $20, or wastes more than a few minutes of time on easily google-able (chatgpt-able) stuff, they've lost my attention, because they cost more than they're worth.

Re: I've built my first successful side project, and I hate it

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I wonder how flows like that happen. Is Support just completely disconnected from Engineering? Do they not have a way to report issues and indicate that many customers are having a specific issue? Does the company believe that giving a customer a runaround will make them less upset than saying "Sorry, this is a known issue. We're working on it but do not have a timeline"? Certainly at some point, some support person…

Yes. Engineering time is expensive. Support exists to resolve problems without needing engineer time except when the company thinks that the problem is worthy of being addressed. The tendency to wall off engineers is often taken to a counterproductive level.

Silo your engineers from reality and hire a few BAs and a PM to interpose.

(Don't actualy do this unless you want to burn money)

Re: I've built my first successful side project, and I hate it

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We know the answer to this even before modern tech businesses existed: running a business is a very different experience from what people expect. This is exacerbated with certain experiences that create worldviews which are closer to the opposite of running a business. This is why startup people straight out of school are often unencumbered with ideas that impact their mission. If you go into a large organization, yo…

My solution largely came out of recognizing this reality. So I just don't do side gigs. I channel that energy into little tech projects that do not seek to be a salable product. So I make my living 40 hours per week, and then do the rest on my terms.

I did that, then added IAP and quit my day job

https://reader.manabi.io

Re: I've built my first successful side project, and I hate it

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I love the ending of this story, which isn't obvious from just looking at the title. The author identified key pain points around customer support, automated them, and went back to enjoying life. This is the kind of thing that gets me excited about the possibilities of technology and AI as a force multiplier, especially when working on side projects, "lifestyle" businesses, or even startups as a single founder.

No one wants to talk to an AI for customer support.

I want to talk to an AI for customer support as the first line so long as there is always a "Talk to a human" escape hatch.

And for less than about $50 a month, I understand why they need to spend less than half an hour per month to retain me. It'd be net negative profit otherwise. (unless they offshore, in which case the math is only slightly better).

Re: I've built my first successful side project, and I hate it

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What is the name for the economic fallacy or paradox where I see an article like this and thing "$15k over 4 years is not worth my time" but if you were to ask me if I wanted $15k or a small fraction of that right now with no recurring aspect I'd take it in a heartbeat? That's how I feel reading any of these side project pieces. I look at the total revenue and how long it took them to get there and I groan thinking h…

I just see that as opportunity cost. I want $15k. But I want to not work 2000 hours for it even more.

Re: I've built my first successful side project, and I hate it

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No one wants to talk to an AI for customer support.

People want their support solved as quickly as possible. They don't want to talk to AI support bots because it's just an inefficient, error-prone wrapper over the documentation, which if you have an actual support need (as opposed to "I just haven't read any of the documentation") that kind of AI support isn't going to be helpful. If you have an AI customer support that can actually support customer service requests…

This will depend on your product. I have a side project where I get a few support calls per day. 95% of the calls can be handled by just quoting documentation/FAQ verbatim. The customers are typically not very sophisticated computer users.

Re: I've built my first successful side project, and I hate it

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Maybe you need a good mystery.

I too had a big long project. But the moment I solved the main design riddle I couldn't bear the sight of it.

A proper mystery gets peeled back to reveal more, and more. Design can be incestuous tho. After the big taboo is transgressed it's just boring.

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