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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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aegis4244 wrote: post #255
pton_xd wrote: post #172

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> the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. Explain how unskilled illegal immigrants contribute to our success. I'm open minded but I've yet to hear anything convincing. No one is opposed to the legal immigration of skilled workers.

Economists say every immigrant is a net economic positive to the nation. They eat,buy food clothing, cars. Every immigrant child is a net negative to the state,at least until they turn 18. But it isn't even. Net neg per kid of maybe 800 a year, positive of each adult of 1200-1600 are the numbers I've heard on freakonomics podcast. Their guests proposed solution was to have the feds pay the states per an immigrant chi…

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by ryan93 »

dakiol wrote: post #277
guille_ wrote: post #251

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Not every culture can integrate, not every culture is a step "forward". Also, your examples are quite weak 1. Paganism was not doing too well by the time Christianity became official. 2. Belgium is a joke country (sorry!) that still has a divided population based on the language they speak. Hardly a success case. 3. Americans speaking Spanish also resulted in losing native languages and cultures. It might be okay to…

I don’t know man. This idea of certain cultures being so distant that they cannot be integrated with others sounds a bit alien to me. If anything, we (all the different cultures in this planet) are the result of a vast amount of mixing over the centuries. We probably don’t notice it anymore (proof that the mix has worked wonders) and we think we all are so good because “our” culture, “our” values. I mean, if somethin…

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by tonynator »

zozbot234 wrote: post #244
pton_xd wrote: post #172

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> the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. Explain how unskilled illegal immigrants contribute to our success. I'm open minded but I've yet to hear anything convincing. No one is opposed to the legal immigration of skilled workers.

> No one is opposed to the legal immigration of skilled workers. Is this why I keep reading "THEY TUKK ER JERBS!!!!!!" as a knock-down argument against H1-B and other legal visas here on HN?

We don't want to become Canada.

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Post by lmz »

dakiol wrote: post #234
gottorf wrote: post #201

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> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

> It is not desirable to have separate ethnic groups who "share the same language, culture and faith" distinct from the mainstream. Why not? Mainstreams are temporary. The Romans shifted from pagans to christians in just a decade (officially speaking). The German speaking region of Belgium was annexed in the 1900s (now the country has 3 different official languages). The whole latin america started speaking Spanish l…

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Post by zozbot234 »

labrador wrote: post #282
pton_xd wrote: post #172

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> the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. Explain how unskilled illegal immigrants contribute to our success. I'm open minded but I've yet to hear anything convincing. No one is opposed to the legal immigration of skilled workers.

“I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.” ― Stephen Jay Gould If you believe that quote as I do then unskilled laborers can have intelligent children. Making to the United States is quite a test of endurance, flexability and competance so people who pass that filter are…

But what about the many skilled laborers who are just as willing to immigrate to the U.S. and other high-income countries? Don't they have at least just as much of a right to try and make it there legally?

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Post by tonynator »

michaelhoney wrote: post #286
hnpolicestate wrote: post #284

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What if * some* highly intelligent immigrants oppose American values? Sounds like a recipe for disaster. They may use their capital and ability to politically undermine our civil liberties. Most people globally aren't used to the American interpretation of free speech or gun rights. I don't want people coming here using their talents to politically remove my rights. I think this is a fair point to make.

the obsession with gun rights is doing your country far more harm than highly intelligent immigrants ever will

Imagine being a European and not being allowed to defend yourself lol

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Post by samatman »

mullingitover wrote: post #176
samatman wrote: post #159

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There is no blockade, and there hasn't been since the Cuban Missile Crisis. An embargo prohibits US citizens and US-owned businesses from trading with Cuba. A blockade would be the US Navy preventing anyone else's ships from entering Cuba to trade. Cuba is poor because Cuba is Communist. The US is not the only trading partner in the world, but a country has to have something to trade in order to engage in trade, and…

> Cuba is poor because Cuba is Communist. Is Cuba even that poor, though, compared to its Latin American peers, and is communism the reason? Aside from the recent weirdness with their GDP spike in World Bank's numbers, Cuba's GDP per capita is basically the same as Mexico's, and it's higher than Brazil's, neither of which are communist. Furthermore, aside from raw GDP numbers it's higher in the UN Human Development I…

> The US also fares poorly if you don't count the wealthiest 15% of the population.

This is false. The US has the third highest median income of any country in the world, after Luxembourg and the United Arab Emirates (which clearly does not count the income of their foreign slaves). PPP adjusted, btw.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/median-in...

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Post by tonynator »

api wrote: post #242
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

Shutting off US immigration is national suicide. Immigration is our superpower. It’s like a company deciding they don’t want any more customers. Utterly beyond idiotic. As birth rates drop globally the countries that are magnets for the highest quality immigrants will explode and basically rule the world. The kind of immigrants we get are the envy of the world too. I am a little more sympathetic to European concerns…

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Post by minicoz »

tonynator wrote: post #297
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

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damn west coast elites living in fantasyland.

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Post by minicoz »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #214
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

Republicans are strongly anti-illegal immigration, and that appears anti-immigration to some.

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