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Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Re: Speed limiters now mandatory in all new EU cars

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Post by novagameco »

its_ethan wrote: post #220
novagameco wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - AI guns that won't shoot at other people, only authorized in-season animals. That sounds like a legitimately good idea, why would you need a gun that shoots people

> why would you need a gun that shoots people Resisting the urge to be snarky, self defense is a legitimate answer. You may not live somewhere where it's common (or you may not frequently feel unsafe) but wanting the ability to have a weapon to defend yourself (or more commonly to show that you have the ability to defend yourself) from any assailant is a very real thing for people both in the US and around the world.…

I believe there should be stricter gun control, but that people should be allowed to carry other forms of self defense such as pepper spray or tasers (I understand these are illegal in some countries). If we invented a gun which allowed hunters to hunt but somehow didn't let people should other people, I can only see that as a positive

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Post by zehaeva »

ricardobeat wrote: post #279
zehaeva wrote: post #240

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How close do you find yourself to the truck in front of you? Safe follow distances are, At 65MPH, I'm assuming you're in the US, is approximately 300 feet. I'd be kind of shocked that you're getting stones hitting you and detectable fumes 300 feet away.

Clearly you’ve never driven in the EU. The usual follow distance here is about three meters, the “safe” one is five, any farther and you’re going to get a stream of cars overtaking you just to fill that void :) Regarding stones and lose cargo, they would hit you even 300m away as they bounce and quickly lose speed while you’re still flying into at them at 130km/h.

To be honest, I have driven in the EU, but really only on a technically. I rented a car when I visited a Spanish island and really only drove a hundred or two km.

That said, I'm not talking about what people do, I'm talking about what is considered safe.

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Post by novagameco »

nradov wrote: post #222
novagameco wrote: post #108

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If you hog the left lane, sure. I follow the posted speed limit and it's never a problem for me

You never drive on two-lane rural roads? Getting stuck behind a slow vehicle is torture.

they usually allow passing at specified points

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Post by zehaeva »

netsharc wrote: post #282
zehaeva wrote: post #226

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Why will you _want_ to pass? Is that 10mph going to get you there _that_ much faster? If you were to follow that truck for all 1300 miles of 395 you would get to your destination 3 hours later than if you were going 70mph the whole way. I would doubt that anyone would want to drive for nearly 19 hours straight, unless you're doing some sort of cannonball run like challenge. If your destination is a mere 120 miles awa…

I pass slower drivers not to save a few minutes, but because driving fast is much more fun...

At least you're honest about it, thank you!

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Post by zehaeva »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #271
zehaeva wrote: post #251

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You're adding on a whole lot of edge cases onto an edge and coming to a conclusion that you think is best. Some guy is shutting you out of the lane next to you, slow down and merge behind them.

Speeding up to merge with traffic that is moving faster than you is not an edge case :/

Okay, but that's not the scenario that was being discussed.

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Post by Gare »

barryrandall wrote: post #140

"The objective is to protect Europeans against traffic accidents, poor air quality and climate change, empower them with new mobility solutions that match their changing needs, and defend the competitiveness of European industry," Do speed limiters, as proposed, meaningfully contribute to achieving those objectives?

Well, all that mandatory tech does make the cars more expensive...

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Post by nunez »

stavros wrote: post #63

Leaving aside the concerns about the tech not working well, I'm really not a fan of this pre-crime stuff. This feels very Big Brother, where someone (or some system) is watching over you so you don't break any laws. Things like this lead to cultural ossification and are a nightmare scenario for me.

Well if so many folks didn't speed all the damn time, and if speeding wasn't one of the top cause of vehicular accidents (in the US), then we wouldn't need this

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Post by lolinder »

zehaeva wrote: post #295
lolinder wrote: post #281

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> I've driven most of the north east of the US. Then you have no idea what the rest of us are talking about. Western roads are huge, and travel times are long. When you're driving the ~1000 miles between Denver and Los Angeles, 10 mph difference in speed can make your trip up to 2 hours longer. That's not insignificant, especially if you're trying to do it in a single day.

I'm sorry, did you want an exhaustive list of the roads I've driven? How many times I have driven out west? Which routes? For how long? That's a ridiculous thing to expect from a random on a forum. Should I list out all of the 10+ hour trips I've driven to satisfy you? What level of experience would cause you to retract your simplistic dismissal of my option? Also, you did not read my post. I specifically said that o…

> Let me be clear, trying to drive 1000miles in one day is unsafe.

500+500 with two drivers.

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Post by nunez »

alfalfasprout wrote: post #107
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #11

Please oh please add them to German cars sold to USA too. I would really enjoy watching all the BMWs and Mercedes going the speed limit all the time instead of flying past me with plate obscuring devices and never seeing any consequences

This isn't a problem if you just stay in the right lane.

No, it's a problem if you're in the right lane. I spent years trying to do this (Houston, TX). You'll get tailgated, and you'll _also_ deal with the drivers that cross four lanes of traffic to hit that exit.

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Post by thiht »

avalys wrote: post #87

The problem with automated enforcement of laws like this, is that the laws were not written for 100% automatic enforcement. Everyone who has ever followed a car driving 5 mph below the speed limit on a two-lane road knows that it is basically impossible to ever pass them while staying under the speed limit. Legally, that's what you're supposed to do, but everyone - the police, the legislators, the courts, and drivers…

> everyone - the police, the legislators, the courts, and drivers - understands that in practice it's acceptable to exceed the speed limit a bit when making a pass

Not in France. When passing a car, you MUST stay below the speed limit. The only exception would be an immediate danger, like for example if you follow someone visibly drunk. Wanting to pass someone because they drive 5kmh below the speed limit is not an immediate danger, just be patient, you’ll be late by 5 minutes at most.

Speed limits are laws, not suggestions.

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