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Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by ranger_danger »

chx wrote: post #209
vunderba wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's somewhat of a grey area but if you can get your hands on the IoT version of Windows 10 LTSC - the supported lifecycle end date is all the way until 2032. I have a dual-boot mid-tower running EndeavourOS (Arch Linux flavor) and the non-IoT version of Win 10 LTSC (support ends in 2027) with strict group policies around disabling of telemetry that's been humming along for several years now. https://learn.microsoft.…

Disabling telemetry is easy with O&O shutup, I have been using that.

Why would you use a proprietary program to do that?

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by blep-arsh »

squidbeak wrote: post #26
scrlk wrote: post #9

I've never found any compelling reason to set up Windows 11 (or 10) with an online account. Things like this just reinforce my decision to stick with a local account.

The only one I ever found was that it made new installations of Windows free with a digital licence associated with your account. I don't know if this is still true of Windows 11.

I ended up making an MS account to store the license info but I just use it once per install to log in/activate then create a "real" local account. Hopefully this still works.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by emporas »

jchw wrote: post #127
suby wrote: post #101

This happened to me. I was wondering why my internet speeds were slow when I discovered that Microsoft was in the process of uploading my users directory, they had already uploaded almost two gigs when I realized. They also changed the path to these directories to something like C:\Users\name\OneDrive\Desktop\. Another poster in this thread claimed it's easy to reverse -- I disagree, it's a pain in the ass to track d…

> It's hard to convey without coming off as unhinged Man. I have felt this way a whole lot lately. I think some people see Linux users and genuinely can't fathom how or why they'd want to go through all of the trouble choosing to use Linux and doing real work on it. A lot of us look back just as puzzled, because when I switched to a Linux desktop for the first time in around 2004, it was definitely a choice, but it h…

There was an incident a week or two ago, where one chess player demanded brand new computers to be unboxed before the chess match[1] begins. Every day of the match, to unbox new computers, because he didn't want the software to be tinkered with by no one.

So they unbox the computers every day, and they have to wait an hour or more, a team of 10 people, for windows update to finish and start the match. Windows update could not be cancelled by the user anyway.

I thought, if he doesn't trust software from other people, maybe he could carry with him an OS in a flash drive the size of a gum. Also, linux was not traditionally great for games, but a chess game can be supported even on a live boot.

[1] Kramnik vs Jospem chess match.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by FireBeyond »

causal wrote: post #285
FireBeyond wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm very happy with my Mac, but... while the key point here is the unasked for enabling of OneDrive... Untangling synced Docs and Desktop folders between multiple Macs, and trying to revert to something akin to a default and reconcile what is in various folders, not pleasant.

I use macs as my daily drivers and have no idea what you're talking about? Don't even have to sign into iCloud to use it

You don't have to use it, but iCloud Drive and Sync is a fairly commonly used feature:

> Desktop & Documents Folders: Keep your Desktop & Documents Folder in sync with iCloud and access them from other devices and iCloud.com

But easily has issues reconciling files on different devices, and then, if you turn it off, things get messy and need a lot of moving things around.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by Teever »

causal wrote: post #289
hparadiz wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're woefully out of date at this point with your experience. The vast majority of the visible polish to make desktop Linux viable has been done in the last 4 years. I started using it full-time in 2020 and since then the progress has been remarkable. Just yesterday I upgraded to KDE Plasma 6.1 and it's truly incredible how well done it is. It's better than windows at this point.

I use Linux desktops daily but even I can recognize that it's not quite ready to compete. Anything you've ever had to fix by googling or opening terminal would be a complete showstopper for the vast majority of users

That's true and what's more is that's what so fucked up about this discussion.

They would literally rather suffer with the kind of impressive surveillance and advertising that Microsoft heaps on them rather than change themselves and the tools they can/could use for the better.

It's the epitome of learned helplessness.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by causal »

Teever wrote: post #305
causal wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Linux desktops daily but even I can recognize that it's not quite ready to compete. Anything you've ever had to fix by googling or opening terminal would be a complete showstopper for the vast majority of users

That's true and what's more is that's what so fucked up about this discussion. They would literally rather suffer with the kind of impressive surveillance and advertising that Microsoft heaps on them rather than change themselves and the tools they can/could use for the better. It's the epitome of learned helplessness.

Those users can't really use anything that's not OEM anyway, so Linux isn't ever gonna threaten Microsoft. Apple is the only realistic alternative.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by causal »

FireBeyond wrote: post #304
causal wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use macs as my daily drivers and have no idea what you're talking about? Don't even have to sign into iCloud to use it

You don't have to use it, but iCloud Drive and Sync is a fairly commonly used feature: > Desktop & Documents Folders: Keep your Desktop & Documents Folder in sync with iCloud and access them from other devices and iCloud.com But easily has issues reconciling files on different devices, and then, if you turn it off, things get messy and need a lot of moving things around.

Makes sense. I generally avoid anything Apple Cloud related; those products are not their strength...

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by atribecalledqst »

suby wrote: post #101

This happened to me. I was wondering why my internet speeds were slow when I discovered that Microsoft was in the process of uploading my users directory, they had already uploaded almost two gigs when I realized. They also changed the path to these directories to something like C:\Users\name\OneDrive\Desktop\. Another poster in this thread claimed it's easy to reverse -- I disagree, it's a pain in the ass to track d…

I realized too late that apparently the only way to get rid of the OneDrive directory structure is to manage the settings from within OneDrive itself! I'd already uninstalled it and removed, by hand, most of its folders.

Now if I try to reinstall OneDrive, it doesn't open when I try to launch it! I think it just gets trashed by all the changes I've made.

I guess I have to live with the OneDrive\Pictures and OneDrive\Documents folder forever, because they keep coming back when I delete them.

(I am somewhat loathe to reinstall Windows because just getting it installed on this laptop was a huge PITA in the first place, and it was extremely annoying getting all the ads & crap uninstalled)

e; actually wait, I may have been able to finish the job with the registry hack given here https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/how-do...

Bless you Rodrigo. Bless you

ee; this is another example of a phenomenon I see a LOT, which is that just complaining about something into the void is often a critical step to solving a problem.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by spion »

chx wrote: post #173
jchw wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's hard to convey without coming off as unhinged Man. I have felt this way a whole lot lately. I think some people see Linux users and genuinely can't fathom how or why they'd want to go through all of the trouble choosing to use Linux and doing real work on it. A lot of us look back just as puzzled, because when I switched to a Linux desktop for the first time in around 2004, it was definitely a choice, but it h…

Yeah I ran Linux as my daily driver 2004-2017 and I regret it. Since then I run Windows 10 + WSL and life is good. Win10 support ends next year and I am at a complete loss at what to do. Linux desktop never worked, never will, the incentives are not there. It's only free if you don't value your time. As I wrote before , your choices are Ubuntu where an OS upgrade shatters your entire system so throughly it takes days…

Wayland is almost-ready. This is what I needed to do to switch (caveat: this is ubuntu 22, so I may be 2 years out of date):

- Accept inability to use monitor color profiles (this is still WIP)

- Accept inability to use full-screen sharing (very likely to be broken, in theory fixable, in practice its unclear how to fix the portal mess)

- Forked libinput because it behaved unacceptable with my touchpad, and the original developers don't want to add the configuration options to fix this. (Well kind of - custom acceleration profiles may be available in later versions)

- Spent some time adding all the "use wayland" cli flags to everything electron based. In theory, ~/.config/thing-flags.conf is supposed to work, in practice it doesn't, so I have a bunch of wayland replacement clis for everything (wcode, wobsidian, etc)

- Spent some time looking up tool replacements (i3wm -> sway, dmenu -> rofi, xclip -> wl-copy, xprop -> ... its complicated etc)

Benefit: for the first time ever my Thinkpad X1 Extreme Gen3 laptop (4K screen) outperforms my Android phone in graphics rendering performance and responsiveness, even just using the Intel card. Using it feels gloriously good. This includes the OEM Windows install as a comparison point, which is doing significantly worse, even with nvidia card enabled.

Replacing Xorg is an absolutely impossible task, with a long tail of broken things left in Wayland's wake. But I think it might finally be getting to the point where its worth it

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by _carbyau_ »

Biganon wrote: post #215
justsomehnguy wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ITT: people complain about 'CLI dickery' in Windows but arguing for Linux. *shrug_emoji*

...yes? Because on Windows, the CLI is used to circumvent the highly smelly patterns that Microsoft puts in your way to force you to act in a way that is financially interesting for them, even though you've paid for their shitty OS already On Linux, the CLI (in a similar scenario) is used to... install the software. And you can probably use a GUI package manager depending on your distro. Do you really not see the dif…

Not the person you are replying to but...

They are different points of contention and I think both of your points are valid - though only really linked via "CLI dickery".

You are correct that MS is being annoying, stupid and pushy and causes me to resort to CLI-dickery/regedit/service-disable/google-what-fucking-tickbox-to-untick-now to make it calm the farm.

Linux doesn't try to mess with my farm. But I only get 80% - 90% of a farm to start with and have to google "How to do/fix [XYZ],[abc] and [123]" and the answer is always CLI dickery. Last night it was "Use Vim to edit [this] file." Great, then I had to google how to use Vim. But wait, I only want to edit a file so use any file editor! But now I need it to run under sudo...

Both OSs have their issues and CLI dickery isn't going away. But with MS, I paid them so I feel entitled to have expectations as to product behaviour - especially when it keeps trying to change from what I bought.

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