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It is really difficult to read if this is sarcasm or not, and I am not being sarcastic.
Tesla's most recent version of FSD (which is released to a limited number of non-employee testers so far) uses only eye tracking for driver monitoring and does not require the user to touch the steering wheel as long as they are looking forward.
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The conclusion addresses your point: > Without FSD, you pay attention to the road and everything else is within your control. With FSD, you still need to pay attention but now there’s the additional cognitive load to monitor an unpredictable system over which you don’t have direct control. For the author, FSD is a worse experience in addition to costing a lot of money.
When you are new to it, yes. For me it's a better experience because I've been using it so long and have a good idea of what it can and can't handle. I use it extensively on roads I know it works well on, and use it sometimes tentitively on new roads when I'm in the mood. That I spend almost all of my driving time on the same few routes makes FSD very valuable to me. It's probably still not a net benefit if you're mo…
How would you know that, though? That's the reason why at this point I can't see myself ever using that kind of a feature. The added stress of the unpredictability would make the experience miserable.
Seen this discussion before. Musk claims that Tesla will announce fully autonomous driverless taxi mode on August 8th. That's "announce", not "ship". If this were anywhere near close to happening, there would be test vehicles all over the place, like Waymo and Cruise. There would be press reports. In reality, Tesla has an autonomous vehicle test license in California from the DMV and reports zero miles driven.
isn't it in itself an announcement ?
I wish I had a cult that would let me get away with stuff like this.
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> old Italian city Try traffic in India [1][2] If it were a game, then India will be the last boss fight in ultra-hard mode. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnPiP9PkLAs [2] https://youtu.be/WC2FUEmKEu8?t=412
It already fails in Manhattan. I know that by US standards, the traffic in Manhattan is already considered chaos, but it's usually pretty tame compared to other countries. There are these videos by this HUGE Tesla fanboy, just look here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo_hC84OSwg where at 8:20 it fails to properly deal with a cop car and the fanboy complains that the cop did not obey traffic laws (good luck arguing t…
Emergency responder (fire/paramedic) here. EVIP (Emergency Vehicle Incident Prevention) is a course that in most states, responders are required to take to operate a vehicle in "emergency mode" (i.e. lights, sirens, both). In some states it also serves as a replacement/alternate for requiring a CDL for larger vehicles.
In "emergency mode", the vehicle, based on most state's laws or administrative codes, "may ignore any and all rules of the road, including but not limited to, speed limits, traffic control signals, designated lane markings, one way directionality". Quite simply, on the road, in emergency mode there is no "obeying traffic laws"...
BUT...
What the words give you, the fine print often takes away. While in emergency mode, the driver of the emergency vehicle is -presumptively liable- for ANY incident that occurs, unless it can be demonstrated otherwise (and even then there is still likely to be contributory liability). This liability is personal and organizational (i.e. I can be personally sued if I hit someone in my ambulance, even going code 3).
To mitigate this, in additional to the department/organization's own insurance coverage (often self-insured by the appropriate government entity) will draw up their own department policy that applies intermediate limits (i.e. while the admin code may allow me to drive at any speed I like, our department policy says I may exceed the speed limit by no more than X mph, and X is reduced by 5 for every complicating factor, like night, or weather). The department will then take a separate insurance policy that says as long as I am within department policy rules, they will cover any personal liability that may occur.
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My neighborhood has the effectively one-way street thing going on. FSD would be a total clown show in here. Tesla would have to add some way to determine the velocity of the oncoming traffic around a 90 degree bend while dealing with extremely limited visibility due to seasonal foliage. They would also have to add a way to factor in the historical behavior of these cars over time. For example, I know the guy who driv…
Yes, what is also important is that in many cities you often need to drive with a bit of... let's say "confidence", otherwise you will never leave your current spot. When you try to enter a busy street, you sometimes JUST NEED TO GO, trusting the oncoming traffic will slow down if needed. Sometimes a nice person will flash headlights to let you know it's OK, but I'm pretty sure FSD will not be able to notice that...…
Two things I've told my step-daughter when she was learning to drive, one is more common - "it is better to be predictable than polite" (no stopping when you have the right of way to 'wave someone through'), but more germane to your point:
"You should drive assertively, but not aggressively."
I have FSD v12 and for my drives, in my part of the country, I have to do a mild safety intervention maybe once a week (like, getting closer to another car than I'm comfortable with) sorry other people are having different experiences, but FSD is a significant quality of life improvement for me. Nothing is nicer than getting in the car after a long day and letting it chauffeur me home. (yes I still pay attention)
The latest FSD is pretty damn good.
They should teach Tesla’s “autopilot” (and its FSD upgrade) in business schools. Turns out you can sustainably push up company valuation on vapourware. You have to wonder if Tesla’s autonomous driving technology was actually ever meant to turn into a product. Or whether it is mostly a tool to justify the lofty Tesla stock price. I very much doubt that it is technologically ahead of its competitors.
> I very much doubt that it is technologically ahead of its competitors. This is where they are as of April 2024: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INCLA-EA22002-14498.pd... "ODI completed an extensive body of work via PE21020 and EA22002, which showed evidence that Tesla’s weak driver engagement system was not appropriate for Autopilot’s permissive operating capabilities. This mismatch resulted in a critical saf…
Just s/driver/user/g and it sounds like a lot of contemporary LLM hype.
IMO, Tesla's not an outlier -- in today's stock-price-is-king world, it's common to see such overselling in various domains.
They should teach Tesla’s “autopilot” (and its FSD upgrade) in business schools. Turns out you can sustainably push up company valuation on vapourware. You have to wonder if Tesla’s autonomous driving technology was actually ever meant to turn into a product. Or whether it is mostly a tool to justify the lofty Tesla stock price. I very much doubt that it is technologically ahead of its competitors.
Cathy Wood of Ark investments just gave Tesla a $2000 price target on the back of FSD taxi service... That's around a $5T valuation. You have to wonder if she is dumb, or just knows Tesla investors are totally delusional. Or perhaps, when you come upon an OG delusional musk worshipper, and call them out, they can point at their money pile and call you the idiot...
God will make it go to $2000.
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When I see a Tesla, I think of Elon. When I see another car I don't think of whoever the CEO is, because I don't know who that is. For better or worse, Tesla=Elon in most people's eyes. He had made himself the figurehead, and is an extremely divisive figure. I didn't like feeling that I was implicitly supporting him whenever I got into my car.
You could apply this same thought reasoning with the trolly problem. You know one CEO but not the others. The others could be worse people overall but they choose to hide it. So you make a decision based off a known bias. I don't think you're irrational for making this decision, it's just interesting. It's something I've never done.
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It already fails in Manhattan. I know that by US standards, the traffic in Manhattan is already considered chaos, but it's usually pretty tame compared to other countries. There are these videos by this HUGE Tesla fanboy, just look here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo_hC84OSwg where at 8:20 it fails to properly deal with a cop car and the fanboy complains that the cop did not obey traffic laws (good luck arguing t…
> the fanboy complains that the cop did not obey traffic laws Emergency responder (fire/paramedic) here. EVIP (Emergency Vehicle Incident Prevention) is a course that in most states, responders are required to take to operate a vehicle in "emergency mode" (i.e. lights, sirens, both). In some states it also serves as a replacement/alternate for requiring a CDL for larger vehicles. In "emergency mode", the vehicle, bas…