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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by nashashmi »

bowsamic wrote: post #137
ipqk wrote: post #127

I've been an avid 1Password user for over 10 years, but since they gone full-throttle targeting the enterprise market, I'm getting more and more annoyed. It's increasingly buggy (right now, it thinks I haven't migrated from 1p7 which causes annoying interstitials that I can't close. Over a month and no fix yet.). They killed standalone vaults. Obvious feature requests (e.g archive an entire vault) sit there for years…

I've used Bitwarden for a while now and it has been so better than LastPass or 1Password ever was for me. I never understood the 1Password hype, it was easily the worst experience of any password manager I tried.

I miss lastpass auto login. And i wish bitwarden had a merge for duplicate entries. Otherwise, bw is good. I also wish i was able to utilize totp keys like i can with iCloud

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by gumby »

cletus wrote: post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

They have a windows app for it.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by bandyaboot »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #296
basisword wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. With password management specifically, Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms. Not ideal, but good enough for most. On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. You can easily import and export your passw…

> I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. Like seven people replied to say this, but they're all missing the trick. Most people want this because they're guided to want it. If you show people the convenience but not the risk, of course they want something with an advantage and no apparent disadvantage. But the disadvantage exists, it's just not immediately obvious. Then some corporate machine learning algori…

I’m curious to know what you’re thinking as far as what bad outcome(s) will or may result from people choosing this over some other password manager.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by ocodo »

lxgr wrote: post #245
basisword wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. With password management specifically, Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms. Not ideal, but good enough for most. On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. You can easily import and export your passw…

> On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. Now that many sites are moving to passkeys or TOTPs, it would be great if Apple could not lock users in there as well. > Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms That's only on Windows and requires you to install iCloud tools locally, right?

> it would be great if Apple could not lock users in there as well.

The king of wishful thinking has entered the chat.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by gumby »

drio0 wrote: post #281
basisword wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. With password management specifically, Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms. Not ideal, but good enough for most. On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. You can easily import and export your passw…

Is there a way to export all your passwords on a Windows PC, or from iPhone? I do not have a mac

Why don’t you just install the windows app they announced?

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by satvikpendem »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #287
WheatMillington wrote: post #237

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>People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. This is EXACTLY what people want. Please remember that HN is not a cross section of the general public.

> Please remember that HN is not a cross section of the general public. Yup. I need to constantly keep that in mind, when I’m designing my software. Very often, the fact that I like it, is a negative.

> Very often, the fact that I like it, is a negative.

Incredible insight. Too often I'm building something and it rises in complexity precisely due to me wanting extra features that might be very niche and technical in nature, so I too must remember to not bloat the product and make it much more streamlined.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

drio0 wrote: post #281
basisword wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. With password management specifically, Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms. Not ideal, but good enough for most. On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. You can easily import and export your passw…

Is there a way to export all your passwords on a Windows PC, or from iPhone? I do not have a mac

A more important question is, is there a way to export all your passwords after you're locked out? One of the major risks here is you permanently lose access to your One Ring to Rule Them All account and thereby all of the others.

In theory you can export the data to some out-of-ecosystem backup device on a regular basis, but we all know that most people are not going to do that.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by [deleted] »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #296
basisword wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. With password management specifically, Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms. Not ideal, but good enough for most. On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. You can easily import and export your passw…

> I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. Like seven people replied to say this, but they're all missing the trick. Most people want this because they're guided to want it. If you show people the convenience but not the risk, of course they want something with an advantage and no apparent disadvantage. But the disadvantage exists, it's just not immediately obvious. Then some corporate machine learning algori…

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by gumby »

nashashmi wrote: post #299
lxgr wrote: post #247

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> has had an iCloud Password Chrome extension for years Which is also only available for Windows, as far as I know.

And needs iCloud installed for it to work.

They aren’t preventing you from using 1password which requires their cloud service, or any other. I use third party calendar, address book (contacts), text editor, but use Apple mail and safari. And mostly use Dropbox for file storage.

Other people can make different choices. This doesn’t seem like a crisis.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by iansinnott »

ipqk wrote: post #127

I've been an avid 1Password user for over 10 years, but since they gone full-throttle targeting the enterprise market, I'm getting more and more annoyed. It's increasingly buggy (right now, it thinks I haven't migrated from 1p7 which causes annoying interstitials that I can't close. Over a month and no fix yet.). They killed standalone vaults. Obvious feature requests (e.g archive an entire vault) sit there for years…

I suspect you won't be satisfied with Apple's offering if you enjoy stable software, unfortunately.

I agree regarding 1pass, but at least it's still firmly trying to solve the password management problem. Apple is trying to solve the vendor lock-in problem (i.e. how can they lock more users in to their platform).

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