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Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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Best part of Napster was searching for that one song you were interested in, and then looking through all of that user's shared files. It was an amazing discovery mechanism which I missed dearly with all the subsequent P2P apps. Spotify now fills this void, but it's not quite the same.

My personal favorite was Audiogalaxy, which had a fairly decent recommendation engine. I discovered a lot of excellent music (which I subsequently bought) through this.

I liked how you could add songs to your friends' queue, that was a great feature.

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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Excerpts from chapter 5 of "Free as in Freedom" (freely available at https://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/ ): > Although based on proprietary software, the Napster system draws inspiration from the long-held Stallman contention that once a work enters the digital realm-in other words, once making a copy is less a matter of duplicating sounds or duplicating atoms and more a matter of duplicating information-the na…

> while at the same time selling a service based on proprietary software Napster never sold anything. The business model was a plan to build a subscription service sometime in the future, but music labels wouldn't let us license their catalogs. Source: worked at Napster

yes.. that is correct (also worked there 2000-01). Bertelsmann offered 1B to settle the suit with the Labels (including the ones Bertelsmann owned, somewhat ironically) so the subscription service that we were building could go live, but this was rejected out of hand. After that, it was an existential moment for the entire Industry.. until Steve Jobs pitched what Apple had been working on (iTunes). My personal recollection was that probably at no other time would the Music Industry agree to the terms that Jobs wanted for the iTunes service, but there literally were no other viable options at the time so they agreed. you know the rest.

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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already, Disney has been censoring past episodes not even based on today's sensibilities but it seems purely based on keywords. there's an episode of the suite life of zach and cody where zach pretends to have dyslexia in order to get extra time in his exams, and near the end of the episode he gets busted and they have a thoughtful conversation about how it's unfair and hurts the people who need the extra time, and h…

My hope is human nature will prevail. SOME are that sensitive but I think there’s a growing amount of people maybe even a majority that don’t want censorship and nannie’s in media / comedy etc.

What’s offensive changes from generation to generation. Blackface is a problem because racism is a problem. I can envision a future where racism against blacks is so low that blackface in itself is no longer triggering.

As an example: I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s with the feminist second wave. Women of my generation hated being called girl, for good reason! In that time, men were men, and women were considered children.

Their granddaughters don’t seem to mind the term girl at all. They didn’t suffer the same trauma their grandmothers did. Society has progressed, at least a bit.

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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As long as you can invest in growth, why not spend on that? The alternative is to report a profit and have it taxed. Amazon did the same for a long time. It’s a fine strategy if your investors don’t need the immediate returns.

Amazon invested in selling physical things and ran a loss forever until AWS became the real money maker.

Amazon was breaking even forever, it rarely lost money. Can’t easily find a chart of it going back to 2000 though.

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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Tangent, sorry, but every time I hear a modern sound now I hear it as music and it’s beautiful. I still remember being able to listen to the HDD and feel it. I would place my hand on the case when it was struggling and I felt like a horse whisperer. I may have given it a few affirmative words of encouragement.

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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Executive compensation is part of a business’s expense, so it is not a separate issue from profit, since profit = revenue minus expense. Also, Ek could have sold his equity years ago and made more money with less risk by sticking it in SP500. If he really loved money, wouldn’t he have gotten rid of stock in a business losing money and stuck it into something less risky? My point is to say that Spotify is obviously in…

>Executive compensation is part of a business’s expense [...] Right. So when you said this.. >Spotify loves money so much it has yet to show a profit in almost 20 years. ..was your point that Spotify, the company , doesn't love money, even if the executives might?

Spotify “loves” money implies that Spotify is penny pinching because it is in such a powerful position that it can afford to alienate customers, whereas my point is Spotify is probably making a calculation to reduce expenses because it is not even known if it is a viable business yet.

Spotify’s executive compensation is what it is, it is still a large organization managing 9k employees with 600M customers, so they obviously want a carrot to work. Shareholders and board members can vote on compensation they think is undeserved.

In fact, Ek hasn’t even received compensation since 2017, so he’s just been offloading his existing equity from being a founder from way back when. And since Spotify stock has lost money relative to the market for 7 years, Ek has been working for free. He literally could have more money if he had quit working years ago.

https://fortune.com/europe/2024/04/29/daniel-ek-salary-spoti...

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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post #254

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Spotify loves money so much it has yet to show a profit in almost 20 years.

And yet it's tech bro founder is a multibillionaire

Why is that relevant? The organization he has lots of equity in due to his negotiations as a founder has 600M customers and 9k employees. The public markets still believe it might be worth a few billion dollars for an organization that has 600M customers with recurring revenue.

The “tech bro” founder could have had billions of more dollars if he had dumped all his Spotify shares years ago.

It does not mean the organization is making a ton of money, or has any pricing power. An alternative is Visa or Verisign of Intuit or Microsoft or Qualcomm or Apple, those businesses have fat profit margins. Those businesses get to set their prices at the highest profit margins. Spotify barely limps along hoping one day it can eke out more than a low single digit profit margin consistently.

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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post #210

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Not discussing security vulnerabilities helps attackers and hinders defenders. The obvious question here is - if its so easy, why hasn't anyone done so? When was the last time bit torrent's DHT went down? As far as i know never. It should be noted that current generation DHTs aren't the same as the original and do have some mitigations from certain attacks.

Sybil attacks if i'm not mistaken ;-)

Sybil attacks are like DoS attacks. They are never going away fully. All webservers are vulnerable to DoS attacks and yet in practise it is pretty rare for major websites to go down because of them despite their simplicity.

But there are strategies to mitigate sybil attacks. Requiring hashcash style proof of work to participate in the network, increase state requirements to participate in the network, basing node id's on something the attacker cannot control (e.g. IP addressss), are common strategies often mentioned.

In the context of bit torrent, i guess it doesn't super matter that much. If your goal is to spy on the overlay network, while the entire point is to publicize the tracker data so what is the point of spying on public data? If the goal is to more actively attack the network - having bit torrent be a dual system with traditional trackers (and other ways to find peers) also, means that an attack causes degredation but is not a killing blow to bit torrent. Which in the cost/benefit analysis reduces the benefits, causing attackers to wonder if the cost is worth it.

Like denial of service attacks, the best defence is to make the attack expensive enough that it just isn't worth it.

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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I still remember how hard it was to find an mp3 on the Internet before Napster. It was awesome. And Winamp, which was quite possibly the greatest desktop music app ever IMO, truly complimented Napster.

I'm probably the last person still using Winamp.

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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My hope is human nature will prevail. SOME are that sensitive but I think there’s a growing amount of people maybe even a majority that don’t want censorship and nannie’s in media / comedy etc.

What’s offensive changes from generation to generation. Blackface is a problem because racism is a problem. I can envision a future where racism against blacks is so low that blackface in itself is no longer triggering. As an example: I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s with the feminist second wave. Women of my generation hated being called girl, for good reason! In that time, men were men, and women were considered chil…

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