> A sample of statements from Google representatives (Matt Cutts, Gary Ilyes, and John Mueller) denying the use of click-based user signals in rankings over the years.
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> But here on the ground, I can type a few queries and reveal that Kagi is the same shit as Google. Here on the ground in Norway I just say "lucky you" if Google serves the same results as Kagi. My experience is Google expands my search terms beyond recognition and I am absolutely and utterly fed up with starting to read an article about a problem I searched for, getting a result from a trustworthy site, starting to…
Why do Kagi supporters keep insisting I am supporting Google? I save all my best vituperative comments for how Google has destroyed the internet. I am only saying Kagi is just as shitty as Google for my queries and certainly is using their index based off the 30 or so searches I made. I am not in a technical niche however, so maybe they're using something different for that or you saw a manually-adjusted query? But f…
Ok, thanks for the clarification.
Let me also clarify: I am absolutely not denying that Kagi uses Googles index.
I am just pointing out that for some reason when I search with Google I get lots and lots of results for things I didn't search for. For a while I kept them away by sprinkling doublequotes everywhere but the last few years, no amount of double quotes or even the verbatim operator works anymore.
With Kagi however not only does doublequotes work (for now at least), - I usually don't even need to apply them, my queries work just like they used to do in "old" Google back in 2009.
That is what I pay Kagi for.
I can be totally open that for what I know the reason might be as simple as the fact that Kagis API access gets results directly from Googles search API without passing through what I think of as a "search broadening" function and without applying A/B testing experiments to the results that come back.
I don't care. I get my results.
And if someone come along and present a better alternative that uses only their own independent index, I'll be inclined to pay even more just because I'd love to see it. (I was a marginalia supporter for months and might become again in the future.)
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> we don't even know what number, we just get the total number of visits for each website, not who visited it This is not what a clickstream is. A clickstream requires that the sequence of clicks be preserved, and preserving that sequence undermines anonymity.
It can be pseudonymous. It doesn't have to undermine anonymity. Google researchers spend time ensuring k-anonymity (for reasonably large k) when using data.
The data doesn't have to be tied to me directly to affect me directly.
If my clicks suggest that I'm a wealthy woman, isn't that the reason enough to try and connect me with advertisers that try to sell overpriced shoes? Let's downrank all the good deals, surely she can't be interested in 10$ sneakers.
If my clicks suggest that I'm from Russia|Ukraine, isn't that the reason enough to show me one side of the news more then the other?
In some way our interests define us more then social security number assigned.
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It became trendy recently to break compatibility with Firefox. Blogs almost bragging about how they boldly made the choice. Very embarrassing stuff
Do you have examples? I would like to see how they talked about it.
It’s on hn here or there, or in random blog posts shared in here. Just keep your eyes open for a bit and you’ll see something pop up
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I laughed, that's good enough for me. I don't care for snobbiness.
I don't know what you want here. The grandparent comment quoted the site's rules. I provided my opinion what is humor vs internet tropes.
I want people who aren't snobbish and rule-lawyering. This isn't middle school we don't need hall monitors.
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I don't know what you want here. The grandparent comment quoted the site's rules. I provided my opinion what is humor vs internet tropes.
I want people who aren't snobbish and rule-lawyering. This isn't middle school we don't need hall monitors.
Reminding others of community norms isn't snobbish or unreasonable. How else do you expect a community to function as it grows?
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While the reasons someone would pick Firefox: - Privacy - Tree style tabs
- uBo works better in firefox https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...
Not just better, it will only work in Firefox soon .
Ad blockers will stop working on Chrome based browsers with Manifest V2 being dropped starting next week.
All Chromimum based browsers are in the same boat, Ad blocking will be severely degraded after Manifest V3 becomes the only option.
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> we don't even know what number, we just get the total number of visits for each website, not who visited it This is not what a clickstream is. A clickstream requires that the sequence of clicks be preserved, and preserving that sequence undermines anonymity.
It can be pseudonymous. It doesn't have to undermine anonymity. Google researchers spend time ensuring k-anonymity (for reasonably large k) when using data.
It's doesn't matter if it's anonymous. Some users simply don't want you to keep any record of their activities.
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#310Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but if a search algorithm is truly designed to showcase the best content, then making it transparent shouldn't lead to manipulation