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This is a fascinating comment. How would you define violence?

They definitely have a very hyper-capitalist definition of violence. It's sort of pathetic how much people somehow care about the property of the ruling classes that they will never own.

I am not at all a hyper capitalist. I would even consider myself anti-capitalist.

But imposing your own preferred art on public commons is a (minor) form of violence, in any economic system. Especially when you do so with paints of questionable chemical composition, or with images/text that is likely to offend.

I would also say that doing the same thing even on your own property can be reprehensible, as long as it is visible to the public. Just because you own a house doesn't mean you should be able to make it look however you want on the outside, especially not in ways that are actively unpleasant to those of us that need to walk by it every day: we the public should have a say in how your private property looks. A most anti-capitalist position.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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This is a fascinating comment. How would you define violence?

They definitely have a very hyper-capitalist definition of violence. It's sort of pathetic how much people somehow care about the property of the ruling classes that they will never own.

As opposed to people who define words written on the internet and not even directed at a specific person as "violence"?

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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I think the reason DB introduces this kind of measures over the obviously superior first steps like "building a quieter train" is this: Walls are paid for by the state or community annoyed by the train noise. New or improved trains would be paid for by DB (a nominally private company).

Which is why stuff like "putting quieter brakes on freight trains that don't sound like fingernails on a chalk board" will take at least 20 more years if it will happen at all.

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My hart jumped when I initially thought that they had implemented an idea that I had once. Turns out MetaWindow is not an augmented reality display in the train's window, where one can read information on the scenery that one passes through while traveling. What is that city in the distance? When was that church built? How many cows are in that meadow? Stuff one has to know.

Just sit at home and stare at a video of the scenery at that point.

The (highly recommended) Belgian television series "In de gloria" [1] had a teleshopping sketch in which one could order VHS tapes of their favorite tracks. The target audience was pensioners who had traveled the same boring track for years.

The irony is that some years later a television channel started broadcasting railway videos all day long.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_de_gloria

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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> I wish more people would work on noise pollution Absolutely agree. It's one of the most insidious kinds of pollution that has big effects on mental and cardio-vascular health, and is accumulative. Everything from aircraft, to emergency vehicle sirens, to construction and poor housing, is slowly killing people. In Europe we've actually made big leaps forward with regulation, building standards for isolation, and aba…

Some progress in Europe yes but the harms are still far from getting enough attention and policy responses. One problem is that there's so little organized effort against noise pollution, there's need for a movement with grass root organizations that puts sustained pressure on this issue.

Also, the noise pollution regulations that are in place exempt trains.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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> While the tech described probably has merits, anyone who has been near DB lately would instinctively go: why are you doing this when you cannot get the basics right? DB is facing the problem that the network needs substantial overhaul - the problem is that when you do a large-scale renovation, you gotta adhere to current code, not late 19th century code (which is when quite a few of the railways had been built). An…

> And that means noise protection anywhere where the tracks are adjacent to residential areas, but NIMBYs will launch intensive protests if they get presented with a massive wall of steel in their backyard - understandably so, these things are an eyesore. Though to some extent people got themselves into that situation of their own fault by constantly screaming about noise and nothing else – politicians listened and t…

> Though to some extent people got themselves into that situation of their own fault by constantly screaming about noise and nothing else

It's not like they don't have a point... a lot of former switchyards were converted to residential use in the early 90s and ever since then, but of course the rail tracks that these yards were laid adjacent to still kept operating, and freight trains make an awful lot of noise.

Silent-brake requirements (basically, composite brake pads instead of the old metal-on-metal pads) have eased the noise emissions quite a bit, but damages in the wheels ("flat spots") or in axles still cause persistent and annoying noise. Unfortunately, 99.999% of freight cars are still dumb as fuck and have no sensorics on-board to detect issues, so it takes a loooong time until such cars are taken out of service. Maybe with the adoption of the new automated couplers ("DAK") that are in research at the moment, this will change as all cars have to be retrofit with electricity and smart components anyway so it is cheap to install monitoring on wheels and axles, but that will take another few years.

Additionally, the tracks themselves can cause ungodly amounts of noise due to neglected maintenance. Where rails aren't (properly!) welded together, they cause a bump noise, switches need to be properly lubricated and the wheels need lubrication as well to prevent those horrible screeches... but DB hasn't had the money to properly take care of that for decades now.

> Whereas to my knowledge the Swiss still take a somewhat more balanced approach, and don't completely disregard the visual impact of noise protection barriers.

The Swiss have more silent rail in the first place. Lots of rail-side detectors to check for damages on passing rail cars (an absolute necessity due to the high amount of tunnels, you do not want a train de-railing due to an axle or wheel issue inside a tunnel and catching fire) and about 5-6x the amount per capita invested into their rail system every year.

On top of that, Germany has to deal with rail cars (and trucks) from across the entirety of Europe passing through it - basically all transport from the Dutch and German sea ports towards Eastern and South Eastern Europe goes through Germany, the Swiss have to deal with far less traffic than we do.

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There is exactly nothing about defacing public infrastructure which elicits the tiniest spark of "admiration" or "interest" in me. If you want to live out your "artistic ambitions" do it somewhere away from public property.

Unfortunately, life is not black and white. Even without knowing anything about graffiti culture, there is a border between defacing and improving. And graffiti artists are moving over that border back and forth. Some of the most beautiful art I have seen are graffiti

Then let us buy them some large white boards so they can paint on it and move them somewhere else later

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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This is a fascinating comment. How would you define violence?

not op but violence is traditionally defined as physical force to cause harm. but now there's financial violence and social media violence and here the message in the graffiti causes harm. eg die techy scum. it's not physically violent, but some think it's helpful to frame it as a non-physical violent act because of the expression of dislike for a particular community. it doesn't cause any grave harm, but everyone wh…

Violence has always extended beyond pure physical force. Calling someone a slur to their face, or spitting in their food, or defacing their clothes or home (especially with hateful symbols) would be recognized as forms of violence at many times in history way before modern times. Holding someone at knife or gun point is also very clearly a violent act.

Re: Deutsche Bahn introduces "MetaWindow"

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My hart jumped when I initially thought that they had implemented an idea that I had once. Turns out MetaWindow is not an augmented reality display in the train's window, where one can read information on the scenery that one passes through while traveling. What is that city in the distance? When was that church built? How many cows are in that meadow? Stuff one has to know.

I don't think this would make looking out of (or at) the window as enjoyable as with a normal transparent window. Unless you mean that there would still be a normal window, too?

The idea is to install only a few of these, possibly only in designated railway carriages. It would make for a great conversation starter, which might be an improvement over people staring at their own screens.
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