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Post by jsheard »

seoulmetro wrote: post #300
jsheard wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To Shy Kids credit they made it clear the Sora footage was heavily edited, but OpenAIs site still presents Air Head without that context. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFzXwBZgB88 (posted the day after the short debuted) https://openai.com/index/sora-first-impressions (no mention of editing, nor do they link to the above making-of video)

There is now on that second link: >The videos below were edited by the artists, who creatively integrated Sora into their work, and had the freedom to modify the content Sora generated.

Ha, here's an archive from yesterday for posterity.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240513050023/https://openai.co...

They also just added a link to the making-of video.

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Post by [deleted] »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #17

The Donald Glover segment might be a new low for Google announcement videos. They spent all this time talking up the product but didn't actually show what he had created. Imagine how bad the model must be if this is the best way Google can think of selling it.

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xianshou wrote: post #23

To quote Twitter/X, "I wonder what OpenAI will release tomorrow and Google will release a waitlist for." GPT-4o: out Veo: waitlist Admittedly this is impressive and the direct comp would be Sora, which isn't out, but sometimes the caricature is very close to the truth.

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Post by piloto_ciego »

brikym wrote: post #279
piloto_ciego wrote: post #222

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I think it’s fear. Maybe not openly, but people are spooked at how fast stuff is happening, so shitting on progress is a natural reaction.

Progress? There are loads of downsides the AI fans won't acknowledge. It diminishes human value/creativity and will be owned and controlled by the wealthiest people. It's not like the horse being replaced by the tractor. This time it's different there is no place to move to but doing nothing on a UBI (best case). That same power also opens the door to dystopian levels of censorship and surveillance. I see more of the…

>Progress? There are loads of downsides the AI fans won't acknowledge.

I don’t know if this is true.

>It diminishes human value/creativity

I don’t see this at all, I see it as enhancing creativity and human value.

>and will be owned and controlled by the wealthiest people.

There are a lot of open source models being created, even if they are being released by Meta…

>It's not like the horse being replaced by the tractor. This time it's different there is no place to move to but doing nothing on a UBI (best case).

So, like, you wouldn’t do anything if you could just chill on UBI all day? If anything I’d get more creative.

> That same power also opens the door to dystopian levels of censorship and surveillance.

I don’t disagree with this at all, but I think we can fight back here and overcome this, but we have to lean into the tech to do that.

> I see more of the Black Mirror scenarios coming true rather than breakthroughs that benefit society.

I think this is basically wrong historically. Things are very seldom permanently dystopian if they’re dystopian at all. Things are demonstrably better than they were 100 years ago, and if you think back even a couple decades things are often a lot better.

The medical applications alone will save a lot of lives.

> Nobody is denying that it's impressive but the question is more whether it's good overall. Unfortunately the toothpaste seems to be out of the tube.

There are going to be annoyances, but I would bet serious cash that things continue to get better.

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Post by sailfast »

ugh123 wrote: post #219

From a filmmaking standpoint I still don't think this is impactful. For that it needs a "director" to say: "turn the horse's head 90˚ the other way, trot 20 feet, and dismount the rider" and "give me additional camera angles" of the same scene. Otherwise this is mostly b-roll content. I'm sure this is coming.

For most things I view on the internet B-roll is great content, so I'm sure this will enable a new kind of storytelling via YouTube Shorts / Instagram, etc at minimum.

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Post by piloto_ciego »

kmacdough wrote: post #269
piloto_ciego wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s fear. Maybe not openly, but people are spooked at how fast stuff is happening, so shitting on progress is a natural reaction.

I suspect it's also a general fatigue with the over-hype. It is moving fast, but every step improvement has come with its own mini hype cycle. The demos are very curated and make the model look incredibly flexible and resilient. But when we test the product in the wild, it's constantly surprising the simple tasks it blunders on. It's natural to become a bit cynical and human to take that cynicism on the attack. Not s…

Cynicism is (arguably) the intellectually easy strategy.

If you’re cynical and you get it right that everything “sucks” you look like a genius, if you get it wrong there is no penalty.

If you aren’t cynical and you talk about how great something is going to be and it flops you look like an idiot. The social penalty is much higher.

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Post by piloto_ciego »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #254
Xenoamorphous wrote: post #221

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It’s tiring. Same thing happened to the GPT-4o announcement yesterday. Apparently because there’s no unquestionable AGI 14 months after GPT-4 then everything sucks. I always found HN contrarian but as I say it’s really tiring. I’ve no idea what the negative commenters are working on on a daily basis to be so dismissive of everybody else’s work, including work that leaves 90% of the population in a combination of awe…

What's also tiring is that no one is allowed to have any critical thoughts because "it's tiring". From my own perspective the critique is usually a counter balance to extreme hype, so maybe let's just agree it's ok to have both types of comments, you know "checks and balances".

Being cynical is not a counterbalance though, it’s just as low effort as the hype people.

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Post by dyauspitr »

popcar2 wrote: post #46

Not nearly as impressive as Sora. Sora was impressive because the clips were long and had lots of rapid movement since video models tend to fall apart when the movement isn't easy to predict. By comparison, the shots here are only a few seconds long and almost all look like slow motion or slow panning shots cherrypicked because they don't have that much movement. Compare that to Sora's videos of people walking in rea…

They’re not showing people because that can get hairy quickly.

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Post by piloto_ciego »

IggleSniggle wrote: post #271
motoxpro wrote: post #251

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Yeah it's pretty unfortunate. Saying something sucks is such a lack of understanding that things are not static. I guess it's a sure way to be right, because there will always be progress and you can look back and say "See I told you!"

Psh. Things are not static. Progress sucks now. Haven't you heard of enshitification? You can always look back and say, "see? I told you it would suck in the future!" ...why am I feeling to urge to point out that I am only making a joke here and not trying to make an actual counter point, even if one can be made...?

I commented on this elsewhere, but being a negative Nancy is really a winning strategy.

If you’re negative and you get it wrong, nobody cares, get it and right you look like a damn genius. Conversely, if you’re positive and get it wrong, you look like an idiot and if you’re right you’re praised for a good call once. The rational “game theory” choice is to predict calamity.

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Post by Aerroon »

Jensson wrote: post #160
lupire wrote: post #154

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So it needs to learn how far each object can travel in 1sec at its natural speed?

It also needs to separate animation steps for different objects so that objects can keep different speeds. It isn't trivial at all to go from having a keyframe for the whole picture to having separate for separate parts, you need to retrain the whole thing from the ground up and the results will be way worse until you figure out a way to train that. My point is that it isn't obvious at all that Soras way actually is…

The best case scenario would probably being able to generate "layers" at a time. That would give more creative control over the outcome, but I have no idea how you would do it.
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