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The world has probably passed peak pollution

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Re: The world has probably passed peak pollution

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I find this title highly misleading “peak emission” would be much more accurate. “Peak pollution” sounds like the amount of pollution in the environment will actually _decrease_ going forward. That is simply not true, it will continue to increase, just slightly less fast. Sorry if I don’t feel euphoric right now.

The idea of having passed peak pollution could suggest that we are beginning to see positive changes...

Re: The world has probably passed peak pollution

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At fertility rates of 1.6, it takes just 25 generations for the global population to go from 8 billion to 900k. Just 10 generations for the global population to drop below 1 billion. Pretty scary stuff.

assuming fertility rates stay constant, which they rarely have. 250 years is a lot of time for things to change. (and of course there's no need for fertility rates to grow to as high as they have been historically, due to the massive drop in child mortality).

I'm not convinced it's a self-correcting problem.

Re: The world has probably passed peak pollution

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I find this title highly misleading “peak emission” would be much more accurate. “Peak pollution” sounds like the amount of pollution in the environment will actually _decrease_ going forward. That is simply not true, it will continue to increase, just slightly less fast. Sorry if I don’t feel euphoric right now.

Isn't the concept of pollution highly subjective?

I think that it is primarily grounded in objective measurements and scientific understanding

Re: The world has probably passed peak pollution

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I find this title highly misleading “peak emission” would be much more accurate. “Peak pollution” sounds like the amount of pollution in the environment will actually _decrease_ going forward. That is simply not true, it will continue to increase, just slightly less fast. Sorry if I don’t feel euphoric right now.

> will actually _decrease_ going forward. The ratio of (pollution/living person) will decrease. Unless you want to start unaliving people then this is a fixed fact of the world we live on.

Is there a reason to care about that number?

Oh I thought of another one, if people smoke more cigarettes then the ratio of cancer deaths to packs smoked decreases!

Re: The world has probably passed peak pollution

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Yes, we should change the units to have a more rational approach, that doesn't boil down to a new version of first world colonialism that tells the undeveloped world they missed the boat and now can't catch up because we've already wrecked the environment on their behalf. So, if you want to care about the environment, and the state of the developed world, you're going to need to allow for compromise to exist. If you…

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Re: The world has probably passed peak pollution

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It might be more like the "dark ages". The people got along we don't know what they were doing but the result was the "renaissance".

They were called such due to the decline of written material: the written record went "dark" compared to antiquity and then modernity. Definitely in another dark age in that sense, due to the postmodern decline of meaningful written communication on paper.

That is what I see. The amount of disposable content has made actual information hard to see.

Re: The world has probably passed peak pollution

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The fact that these are still very much niche interests after many generations indicates that the social indoctrination processes needed to maintain such cultures are not scalable.

> The fact that these are still very much niche interests after many generations indicates that the social indoctrination processes needed to maintain such cultures are not scalable. In 2023, Israel contained over 1.28 million ultra-Orthodox Jews, 13.5% of Israel’s population. It is estimated that by the end of this decade, it will be over 16%. [0] By shortly after 2065, it is estimated that 50% of Israeli children w…

Don't the Haredi refuse to enlist? Doesn't seem sustainable...

Re: The world has probably passed peak pollution

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Yes, we should change the units to have a more rational approach, that doesn't boil down to a new version of first world colonialism that tells the undeveloped world they missed the boat and now can't catch up because we've already wrecked the environment on their behalf. So, if you want to care about the environment, and the state of the developed world, you're going to need to allow for compromise to exist. If you…

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Yes, we should change the units to have a more rational approach, that doesn't boil down to a new version of first world colonialism that tells the undeveloped world they missed the boat and now can't catch up because we've already wrecked the environment on their behalf. So, if you want to care about the environment, and the state of the developed world, you're going to need to allow for compromise to exist. If you…

> that doesn't boil down to a new version of first world colonialism that tells the undeveloped world they missed the boat and now can't catch up because we've already wrecked the environment on their behalf.

When the first world started burning oil and coal, solar panels and nuclear reactors didn't exist. Now they do, and undeveloped countries don't have to invent them again in order to use them. This is cheaper than what first world countries have to do because they don't have to pay to build a coal-fired power plant only to shut it down while it's still functional and build a solar farm to replace it. They can just start with the solar farm.

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