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Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by rajamaka » Thu, Apr 25, 2024, 1:52 AM UTC

QuiDortDine wrote: post #280

artichokeheart wrote: post #279

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I think the problem is that the algorithms are based on statistical probabilities from other users. I.e users who listen to X also like to listen to Y. So we’ll add Y to the queue. Then Y becomes the new reference point. I mean that is a gross simplification but essentially if your musical taste is outside of 2 standard deviations of the norm all the algorithms are gonna suck. For me they do.

So what you're saying is it's badly designed?

It's badly designed for your particular taste, but it probably works for most people which is why it's used.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by gregmac » Thu, Apr 25, 2024, 1:52 AM UTC

ysavir wrote: post #296

gregmac wrote: post #274

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I too listen to different genres of music depending on mood, and I hate when they mix. I used to make mix tapes and later audio CDs like "Alt Rock #" and "EDM #" and I had dozens of those. Since I went to digital music, I've had the same problem with practically every bit of software and streaming service. They all seem to have some mode where it wants to just mix stuff between genres and it drives me nuts. My curren…

I use Pandora and I'm able to maintain genre-specific stations pretty well. Sometimes it will try to mix something new in but I just dislike that song and it happily keeps playing the genre(s) that I chose for that channel.

I don't know about Pandora, but I've always been cautious to use "dislike" in that way, because I don't know the scope. There's a difference between "I don't want to ever hear this" vs "I don't want to hear it on this station". I use it for the former but not the latter.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by pxc » Thu, Apr 25, 2024, 1:53 AM UTC

I expect it'll never happen to me. My dad was still actively seeking out new music when I was a kid, streaming college radio via the Internet before Pandora, Last.fm, or Spotify were things. He's in his 60s today and he still listens to new music (in a range of genres) all the time.

If novelty in music is actually important to you, this won't happen to you.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by ahartmetz » Thu, Apr 25, 2024, 1:54 AM UTC

totetsu wrote: post #237

Thegn wrote: post #224

One problem I've run into with the music services is with older styles. For example, I'm specifically into black musicians from the 1930s-1950s who played swing style music. I have yet to find a service that actually will play more than 2-3 songs in that style before deciding that what I really want to hear is rat pack or swing by white musicians. No matter how much I thumbs down it, I get Glenn Miller/Frank Sinatra/…

Last FM and music neighbors could have solved this.

It is also my experience that Spotify reverts to what's popular and last.fm doesn't.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by ugh123 » Thu, Apr 25, 2024, 1:56 AM UTC

chadcmulligan wrote: post #282

Thegn wrote: post #224

One problem I've run into with the music services is with older styles. For example, I'm specifically into black musicians from the 1930s-1950s who played swing style music. I have yet to find a service that actually will play more than 2-3 songs in that style before deciding that what I really want to hear is rat pack or swing by white musicians. No matter how much I thumbs down it, I get Glenn Miller/Frank Sinatra/…

I recently discovered everynoise.com, it can make a playlist of a genre for you, it has a lot of black* Edit: spelling

everynoise.com

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by damentz » Thu, Apr 25, 2024, 2:01 AM UTC

IncreasePosts wrote: post #291

wbl wrote: post #288

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Go listen to Straight Otta Compton and then Vanilla Ice and you'll get it. Or for Swing Count Basie vs. the slicker more commercial Glenn Miller but it's subtle. And then Coltrane and Orman and Davis come and change the whole jazz world.

I didn't ask for examples, I'm familiar with what race these artists are. My point is if the music actually is so different, it should be noticable and describable without knowing the race of a particular artist. So how would you describe the black music that describes only black musicians but not white musicians from this period, and vice versa.

Ya you're not being honest in the slightest. The OP likes the music made by the group he mentions. You instead say he's being racist for liking music of that group. I'm having a hard time discerning if you're trolling or serious.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by tflinton » Thu, Apr 25, 2024, 2:03 AM UTC

I have discovered better music in my 30s and 40s and sort of regret my musical decisions in my teens and 20s.

Music to me is linked to my emotional state and like I’ve matured I’d like to think my music tastes have too…

but then I remember I’ve stopped listening to silly music of Fugazi and replaced it with the artistic stylings of Taylor Swift and I’m right back in my pit of despair knowing my musical sophistication is still out of reach.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by kevin_thibedeau » Thu, Apr 25, 2024, 2:03 AM UTC

Thegn wrote: post #258

_a_a_a_ wrote: post #246

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I'm a little puzzled as you're describing a music stylist on skin colour, black vs white. I presume you don't really mean that, so what distinguishes the two musical styles, black swing vs white swing? Serious question.

I admit I'm uncomfortable explaining it by skin color, but I've never found anybody who has been able to explain to me what the difference is, and I will admit lacking the musical knowledge to explain it. I fell into that style from dancing Lindy Hop; I was loving the music I was hearing when I was out dancing, so I went and bought an album from the only name I knew at the time - Glenn Miller. It was some of the most…

The simple explanation is that largely only white artists played on radio stations. Popular songs would be sanitized for white radio by recording what we would now consider as covers. However, it was also rather commonplace for a whole slew of artists to record a popular song at nearly the same time. The proliferation of covers wasn't so overtly motivated by bigotry since an original recording wasn't regarded with the same esteem as today.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by computershit » Thu, Apr 25, 2024, 2:10 AM UTC

tflinton wrote: post #307

I have discovered better music in my 30s and 40s and sort of regret my musical decisions in my teens and 20s. Music to me is linked to my emotional state and like I’ve matured I’d like to think my music tastes have too… but then I remember I’ve stopped listening to silly music of Fugazi and replaced it with the artistic stylings of Taylor Swift and I’m right back in my pit of despair knowing my musical sophistication…

Yeah but none of this music slaps as hard as it did in my 20s. Don't get me wrong I appreciate it the same I'm sure, there's just such a thing as youth and emotion and I wouldn't trade that exploratory musical phase for anything.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by popularrecluse » Thu, Apr 25, 2024, 2:14 AM UTC

tflinton wrote: post #307

I have discovered better music in my 30s and 40s and sort of regret my musical decisions in my teens and 20s. Music to me is linked to my emotional state and like I’ve matured I’d like to think my music tastes have too… but then I remember I’ve stopped listening to silly music of Fugazi and replaced it with the artistic stylings of Taylor Swift and I’m right back in my pit of despair knowing my musical sophistication…

Just happened to listen to Steady Diet of Nothing the other day. Maybe the first time in almost 30 years. That music is as good as ever. And could Reclamation be a more relevant song in 2024?