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Re: Tesla releases Q1 2024 deliveries: disastrous results

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Post by VBprogrammer »

anonporridge wrote: post #181
JKCalhoun wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

South African entrepreneurs? EDIT: I had heard he was South African. Googled it though: "South African-born American businessman" so I guess he is American now. Thanks.

You seem not American. To Americans, being born to a different nationality doesn't preclude you from being considered a full and true American. First generation immigrants and naturalized citizens tend to be completely accepted as equals by natural born citizens, so long as they are productive and not criminally destructive. I do understand that this tends to not be the case in many other countries, where even second…

You would have to admit that passing the "looks white to me" test helps a lot in being culturally accepted as an American. You don't have to go very far to find counter examples. Even in this comment section people talk about "Asians" driving Tesla's - regardless of the fact they maybe second or third generation Americans.

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Post by ProfMeowsworth »

dragontamer wrote: post #75
ChumpGPT wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not buying quality when you buy Tesla, you're buying fashion. if you want quality buy a Toyota/Lexus.

I'm a big fan of Toyota Prius Prime and RAV4 Prime. (High efficiency vehicles, Prius Prime is #1 most green car of ACEEE list, etc. etc.). But people buying Tesla aren't aligned to Toyota. But a better match to culture is likely Jeep Wrangler 4xe. Incredible offroading performance, reasonable towing capacity, large size / in-your-face advertising to some extent. And electrified, so that your daily commute is efficien…

> electrified, so that your daily commute is efficient and environmentally friendly.

Moving an off-road vehicle of over two tons to transport (usually) one person to work seems neither efficient nor environmentally friendly. The vehicle being electric doesn’t change that, as the electricity has to be generated somewhere.

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Post by rsynnott »

redox99 wrote: post #49
ddoolin wrote: post #7

This may be related as well, in a smaller way: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/would-...

I doubt it, as it would have equally affected previous quarters.

I mean, he's been pretty bad for a while, but he's definitely been going downhill rapidly over the last year or so. I'm expecting full-blown Howard Hughes-ian behaviour by about 2025.

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Post by JKCalhoun »

VBprogrammer wrote: post #301
anonporridge wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem not American. To Americans, being born to a different nationality doesn't preclude you from being considered a full and true American. First generation immigrants and naturalized citizens tend to be completely accepted as equals by natural born citizens, so long as they are productive and not criminally destructive. I do understand that this tends to not be the case in many other countries, where even second…

You would have to admit that passing the "looks white to me" test helps a lot in being culturally accepted as an American. You don't have to go very far to find counter examples. Even in this comment section people talk about "Asians" driving Tesla's - regardless of the fact they maybe second or third generation Americans.

The way you put it, it would seem odd to me to mention someone's ethnicity unless it was somehow relevant to the conversation.

Without context though my generous assumption is that when they say "Asian driving a Tesla" they mean "Asian-American driving a Tesla" and are lazy rather than racist.

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Post by VBprogrammer »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #304
VBprogrammer wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would have to admit that passing the "looks white to me" test helps a lot in being culturally accepted as an American. You don't have to go very far to find counter examples. Even in this comment section people talk about "Asians" driving Tesla's - regardless of the fact they maybe second or third generation Americans.

The way you put it, it would seem odd to me to mention someone's ethnicity unless it was somehow relevant to the conversation. Without context though my generous assumption is that when they say "Asian driving a Tesla" they mean "Asian-American driving a Tesla" and are lazy rather than racist.

I don't think they were being racist for what it's worth.

Putting it another way, if Elon Musk was born in South Africa and happened to be black, I doubt he'd so easily be given a pass as an American. Every article would start "South-african born entrepreneur Elon Musk..."

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Post by tooltalk »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #279
nixgeek wrote: post #42

Some friends bought a Model X about six months ago, spending over $100k — that’s down from the almost $150k that Tesla was demanding a couple years ago when we bought one (and both were fairly fully loaded). First, my experience 2 years ago was the A/C compressor was so loud that during summer with cooling running at maximum, you couldn’t hold a conversation in the cabin because of the noise. Tesla investigated and e…

S and X are not their bread and butter. Look at how well LFP 3's and y's hold up.

LFP is for base, low-range models; Panasonic's NCA for the mid/perf trims and the MY in the US.

Tesla's QC problem is serious and still affects all EVs made in the US -- the batteries in these EVs have little to do with it.

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Post by dragontamer »

ProfMeowsworth wrote: post #302
dragontamer wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a big fan of Toyota Prius Prime and RAV4 Prime. (High efficiency vehicles, Prius Prime is #1 most green car of ACEEE list, etc. etc.). But people buying Tesla aren't aligned to Toyota. But a better match to culture is likely Jeep Wrangler 4xe. Incredible offroading performance, reasonable towing capacity, large size / in-your-face advertising to some extent. And electrified, so that your daily commute is efficien…

> electrified, so that your daily commute is efficient and environmentally friendly. Moving an off-road vehicle of over two tons to transport (usually) one person to work seems neither efficient nor environmentally friendly. The vehicle being electric doesn’t change that, as the electricity has to be generated somewhere.

I do nominally agree with you. But I'm also pretty sure I can't convince my coworker or my sister-in-law to switch off of their Jeep.

But switching them to a Jeep Wrangler 4xe is much easier. They seem more amendable to that idea, because they want an offroading vehicle so much. I do think its a bit of a "cosplay" situation because they only do offroading one or two times per year, but ... yeah.

Anyway, getting +5 MPG and electrifying the overall drive of a Jeep will save a ton of fuel. If I can't convince them to drive efficiently with a Corolla, I'm still happy to convince them to get a more environmentally friendly decision here.

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Post by lavezzi »

ChumpGPT wrote: post #68
nixgeek wrote: post #42

Some friends bought a Model X about six months ago, spending over $100k — that’s down from the almost $150k that Tesla was demanding a couple years ago when we bought one (and both were fairly fully loaded). First, my experience 2 years ago was the A/C compressor was so loud that during summer with cooling running at maximum, you couldn’t hold a conversation in the cabin because of the noise. Tesla investigated and e…

You're not buying quality when you buy Tesla, you're buying fashion. if you want quality buy a Toyota/Lexus.

It's not fashionable either by any stretch of the imagination.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

tooltalk wrote: post #306
dzhiurgis wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

S and X are not their bread and butter. Look at how well LFP 3's and y's hold up.

LFP is for base, low-range models; Panasonic's NCA for the mid/perf trims and the MY in the US. Tesla's QC problem is serious and still affects all EVs made in the US -- the batteries in these EVs have little to do with it.

It’s important to discern drivetrain problems vs trim imperfections. I know X/S are expensive, but buying Tesla you have to accept some of the interior and exterior will not be as MB, but you do get some other benefits. These issues have nothing to do with reliability/longevity.

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Post by m463 »

ChumpGPT wrote: post #68
nixgeek wrote: post #42

Some friends bought a Model X about six months ago, spending over $100k — that’s down from the almost $150k that Tesla was demanding a couple years ago when we bought one (and both were fairly fully loaded). First, my experience 2 years ago was the A/C compressor was so loud that during summer with cooling running at maximum, you couldn’t hold a conversation in the cabin because of the noise. Tesla investigated and e…

You're not buying quality when you buy Tesla, you're buying fashion. if you want quality buy a Toyota/Lexus.

I don't think that's true.

I think tesla has the most features of any EV. They started off with a clean slate and have done quite well. Their EVs have had the best Coefficient of Drag, have had state-of-the-art batteries, and some amazing motors as far as efficiency and/or power.

Unfortunately, they started cheaping out. No dashboard on the model 3 and too many functions on the touchscreen, like defrost.

They've done this sort of thing with every iteration, and now the latest cars have no gearshift lever/stalk (car guesses which direction you want), there are no stalks for turn signal, wipers, flashing headlights, etc.

the newest steering wheel moved many of these functions to touch areas on the wheel itself horn wipers. And the buttons move with the wheel, so you need to take that into account when you aren't going straight. what if you're on a curve and need to access wipers?

The touchscreen is a mess. First, the moving touchscreen is incredibly hard to touch in a moving vehicle and there is nowhere to rest your hand while you attempt it. For example, turning on the defrost or fog lights.

I sort of wish the NHTSA extended the rules requiring a dedicated emergency flasher button to more of these critical functions a good driver needs to access directly.

The FAA and the military take this stuff seriously for aircraft. They investigate accidents, and if a confusing control is the cause, they follow up and make changes. If only the millions of drivers of cars had someone to get their back.

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