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Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by trgn »

distances wrote: post #222
rsynnott wrote: post #205

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I used to work in a Georgian building. I'll take the ugly 70s concrete block I work in nowadays any day. It's _extremely_ difficult to adapt a lot of these old forms to functional, comfortable housing and offices. There are exceptions, but practicality is a big part of the change. You're also seeing a certain amount of survivor bias in many cities; the old buildings that are still around are the ones that someone tho…

We don't have to go that far back in time, European cities have loads of beautiful buildings still from early 1900s. For example whole neighborhoods of Jugendstil apartment buildings that mainly housed working class people moving to cities. New construction in these same neighborhoods simply do not match the beauty of the existing housing stock. And early 1900s housing is usually quite nice if it's been at least slig…

The schism was modernism, a mental breakdown in the west after the world wars. What was easy, convenient, efficient from a machine perspective, therefore was wholesome, aspirational, valuable from a human perspective.

Other explanations, survivor bias, population boom, ... are fundamentally wrong because even though they may have ab after the fact rationalization, they were not the instincts that animated this revolution.

We're turning out of it, finally, luckily.

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Post by __loam »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #294
__loam wrote: post #289

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And we're also facing a severe housing shortage.

Do the two have to be mutually exclusive? Are crappy architecture and plenty of housing or interesting architecture and a housing shortage our only options?

Obviously not but we shouldn't slow down development over some boring looking buildings.

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Post by QuarterReptile »

Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #122
giraffe_lady wrote: post #98

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Is that true? I wouldn't know what a minor basilica is per se but I definitely know what a cathedral is. I'm orthodox but I think nearly all lay orthodox christians can name their own bishop and the cathedral of his seat, the definition of cathedral being kind of implicit in that administrative awareness. Maybe it's different for catholics? I'll ask some, I am curious now.

The Orthodox Church wasn’t nearly as affected by modernism as Catholicism was. You can see it directly in church architecture. Compare Catholic Church interiors from the early 20th century and ones now. Now do the same comparison for Orthodox ones. It’s clear that the former desperately don’t want to be Catholic anymore.

I was with you until the last sentence.

The seminarians have shifted very far ideologically away from the cohort who moved the altars, ripped out communion rails, and stripped the ornamentation. That's pretty much consistent with the cohort of Catholics who attend mass weekly (a bare minimum requirement).

Those rails, altars, and decorations are being renovated back into place in some places.

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Post by QuarterReptile »

vidarh wrote: post #134
bigbillheck wrote: post #108

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That's one possibility, another one might be that it's easy to write "is buried" when you meant "was buried" and can be hard to catch the error.

Well, it's also the case that plenty of Christians don't believe in the resurrection. E.g from the UK: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/10/quarter-christia...

Show me a 'Christian' who doesn't believe in the resurrection, and I'll show you a non-Christian.

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Post by chupasaurus »

__loam wrote: post #290
audunw wrote: post #137

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What happened is that a vast quantity of people moved into and around the cities. We also have more strict building codes that take into account light, air quality, longevity, energy effiency etc. You’re looking at an old city built for a relatively small elite over many hundreds of years, and you’re surprised why cities built for many millions of people over a few decade look a bit basic in comparison? I came across…

One of the only things the Soviets did right was building a shit load of dense, boring housing at huge scales. They eliminated homelessness, which jumped substantially when they became the Russian federation and privitized everything.

2 problems:

- That housing costed more average Ivan wages than the same after the collapse of USSR.

- Most of it wasn't actually sold hence the fun for inhabitants [sic] to prove their right to own it.

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Post by felipeerias »

whereismyacc wrote: post #119
gorbypark wrote: post #85

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If I am not mistaken, the original designs were destroyed during the Spanish Civil War.

Yeah iirc his studio burned down at the hands of anarchist vandalists. Building some great indulgent monument to god wasn't exactly uncontroversial in the political climate at the time, as I understand it. Anyway, his plans wouldn't have been detailed enough to just go and build it. There was a lot of interpretation to be done in any case.

The destruction of Gaudi’s studio wasn’t exceptional. The Republican forces destroyed many other religious buildings and works of art throughout Spain before and during the Civil War.

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Post by pixl97 »

trgn wrote: post #299
pixl97 wrote: post #281

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People really don't understand how big the 'boomers' generation really was. Populations exploded in the post war era and with the rapid rise in technology people were disinterested in doing things in the way of the past. In the US at least there was a mass migration over the country and a massive need for housing that could be quickly built. Later this rapid expansion of 'sameness' would be captured in popular media…

There was also an enormous urban population boom in the heyday of capitalism, late 1800s early 1900s, and architecture was absolutely glorious. It's really not the post war population boom. It was the post war mindset, modernism, a spiteful iconoclasm married to an infatuation with high technology (ie. All human experience must be mediated with the latest technology, a priori). Without that, our cities would have gro…

Eh, it was an urban population migration after mechanization of farming. Population growth then still was not great nor anywhere near what happened later. This time was laying the roots of a future time where people didn't stay still and the world was moving at a fast pace, but it wasn't that world yet.

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

jihadjihad wrote: post #5

It's amazing if you haven't gone, especially when sunlight streams in through the windows. I saw a quote while I was there that was something along the lines of, "Gaudí is not an artist with whom posthumous collaboration is possible." A couple minutes walking around the church is all that's needed to confirm that notion.

Is it wheelchair friendly?
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