Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list • Hacker News Board

Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by Gibbon1 » Sat, Mar 16, 2024, 9:27 PM UTC

ambicapter wrote: post #274

Gibbon1 wrote: post #247

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The crackdown on all the spaces after the Ghostship fire basically obliterated it. Says something about the civic culture in the US that they chose to just wipe those spaces out instead of just making sure they were safe.

"making sure they were safe" What a weird thing to say. Places like Ghostship are built on not following the rules. You think they're going to follow the rules on fire safety? You want the authorities to spent their time and energy trying to enforce rules on a place who's raison d'etre is to be anti-authority? Sounds like a waste of everyone's time.

Why is that weird? The Ghostship was a nightmare firetrap that the code enforcement people knew about and did nothing. In a perfect world they'd have done their job and 36 people would still be a alive. In a less perfect world they'd be in prison.

Most of the places they shut down were mostly fine.

Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by Detroiterr » Sat, Mar 16, 2024, 10:19 PM UTC

samatman wrote: post #268

piva00 wrote: post #116

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I wouldn't say "gentrified", techno just evolved from the Detroit roots, first in the UK and then continental Europe (Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, etc.). Techno came from an already gentrified African-American community in Detroit, the Belleville Three [0] were from a more affluent part of Detroit at the time, inspired by the 70s/80s German and Japanese electronic music scene, it was never like the roots of hip-hop…

Belleville? Affluent?? Lol. Lmao. Belleville is Juggalo country, cuz. Ypsituckians working in auto parts factories.

Ha. Maybe they are thinking of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Triplets_of_Belleville

(Could that be a subtle reference? Was the director or writer a techno fan?)

Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by ricksunny » Sun, Mar 17, 2024, 3:09 PM UTC

NamTaf wrote: post #246

ricksunny wrote: post #236

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Thanks, that helps. I would love to see a classifier try to cluster tracks across the different types of "not-necessarily-festival-EDM', and compare to see if it clusters as many fans also would.

It’s not anything to do with AI, but you might like this: https://music.ishkur.com/ Crazy to think it’s been a thing since the 90s when it was built in Flash!

Wow, mind-blown, thank you; this site alone should get UNESCO protection and/or robust archiving. Really cool how so much branching happening in the late 80s & 90s is illustrated =)

Re: Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by easyThrowaway » Mon, Mar 18, 2024, 11:54 AM UTC

scns wrote: post #251

easyThrowaway wrote: post #131

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Non-white and non-straight as long as they looked like they were coming right from a balenciaga catwalk. And they weren't shy in the past of hosting notoriously hard-right aligned djs and artists. Berghain antics aside, the point I was trying to make it's that Berlin club scene isn't exactly as "welcoming" of outsiders as a whole as the OP was suggesting.

> And they weren't shy in the past of hosting notoriously hard-right aligned djs and artists. Whom?

Vatican Shadow is probably the most infamous example, it had resonance even outside of the local scene. It was probably the point when their usual "We don't take a political stance" position didn't fly at all.

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Post by ehnto » Thu, Mar 21, 2024, 2:07 AM UTC

bnralt wrote: post #151

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Pretty much everyone is a fan of music in general or some kind of music in particular. But I would counter that being able to name and differentiate a genre is a valid minimum standard to be a "real" fan of that genre . I also reckon that being a fan connotes something different from merely enjoying the sound when you happen to come across it. But I guess there's room for disagreement there.

I highly disagree. I'm not going to say someone isn't a a true fan of Bach and Vivaldi because they refer to the music as "Classical" instead of "Baroque." Saying they "merely enjoying the sound when [they] happen to come across it" because they aren't interested in how other people have decided to name these things seems incredibly dismissive. Enjoying music is entirely unrelated to being interested in where other p…

I have had a hard time articulating this too. I really like trains, I travel to go ride them, but I don't sit on the internet researching trains in my spare time and I don't know thr minutae of the different train models. I just know what I experience, and love it when I do.

When I tell this to normal people they think I'm a superfan, but I am not even in the same conversation as actual train fans. I doubt I could even hold a conversation about trains with a train fan.

It is the same for music, and I have the benefit of having been both a superfan and now later just a regular person who loves the music. I have an in depth love for the music, and no one can take that from my heart. But I don't give a lick about genres anymore.