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Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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Post by gkoberger » Sat, Mar 09, 2024, 5:01 PM UTC

freedomben wrote: post #285

gkoberger wrote: post #110

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From the article you posted: "Elon Musk has been pitching xAI’s “Grok” as a funny, vulgar alternative to traditional AI that can do things like converse casually and swear at you." Silly me for taking Elon at his word

> Silly me for taking Elon at his word I really don't mean to dog pile, but this seems wrong in two ways. First he never said Grok would be right-wing. In fact he promised neutrality, so I don't think you were "taking Elon at his word" I think you were taking somebody else at their word about Elon's word. If Elon did say Grok would be right-wing, I would very much like to know so if you know of a source, please share…

You're right; I almost used the phrases "woke"/"non-woke" since those are the words Elon uses [1], but given how much I hate that vague phrasing ("woke" has become a catch-all for things Elon/etc dislike) I skipped it.

I also should have said "Because there's one AI led by a "right-leaning" creator", not that the AI itself is right-leaning.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1737704128220934311

Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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Post by mtrovo » Sat, Mar 09, 2024, 5:15 PM UTC

Biganon wrote: post #271

Rafuino wrote: post #169

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The Golden Path awaits

I don't understand a single word in this thread

Dune jokes about the Golden Path.

Without much spoilers a super powerful thing set the universe into one direction where he's the emperor and everybody else suffer at his will because according to him all the other possibilities were even worse.

Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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Post by bdjsiqoocwk » Sat, Mar 09, 2024, 5:16 PM UTC

InvestorType wrote: post #84

Interesting they chose 3 more left leaning board members. Surprising an AI-focused company wouldn't have more diversity of perspective at the governance level.

> Interesting they chose 3 more left leaning board members. Surprising an AI-focused company wouldn't have more diversity of perspective at the governance level.

Are you suggesting that diversity of perspective must come from people of different genders? That's weird.

Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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Post by dhruval » Sat, Mar 09, 2024, 5:34 PM UTC

coffeebeqn wrote: post #101

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Exactly. It's not random, it's revealing. You can see them starting to aim towards their first commercial bets beyond search and developer tools while still paying lip service to the safety cult.

I still don’t understand the safety concerns. I see a 0% chance that we can control a superhuman AI. What could ants invent to keep humans aligned with them? Alignment meaning that people would think of ants first instead of whatever their current ranking is. Maybe they’re in the top 10000 priorities

There is a non-0% chance. You are looking at scenarios where evolution has selected for competition rather than nurturing.

So as a counter example:

A mom is a super intelligence compared to a baby. And yet does the babies bidding doing her sense best to make sense of the baby low fidelity crying.

Intelligence in AI is even more alien, it doesn’t need to have any survival instinct of its own at all

Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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Post by mikewarot » Sat, Mar 09, 2024, 6:26 PM UTC

rvz wrote: post #295

mikewarot wrote: post #122

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No, the Board determines when AGI is reached. Thus, if OpenAI already got there, and the board found out... Microsoft would have a very VERY strong incentive to ouster the board, and never, ever have Skynet, or whatever, declared an AGI. And then hush it up forever.

> No, the Board determines when AGI is reached. What if it never arrives? What if "AGI" is another narrative to fleece investor money to believe in something just to sell out of for as long as possible until they run out of money, investors to throw lots of money on or the lawsuits make it even harder for the company to continue?

We're at the point now where an individual can get to the point of building an AGI with their own resources, provided they have the terabytes of training data downloaded, and sufficient compute to process it.

Given the appearance of a Memory prosthesis for LLMs with MemGPT, all the components are in place. Sure, the moat will continue to shrink if trends continue, but we're there already, in my opinion.

Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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Post by baking » Sat, Mar 09, 2024, 6:53 PM UTC

notahacker wrote: post #243

baking wrote: post #171

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He went from controlling three seats on a six-member board to having one seat "as CEO" of a seven-member board looking to add even more independent members. Also, he can't pull the "the board can fire me at any time" card with a straight face anymore. He kept his job, but he didn't win by any stretch. There is a good chance he will move on to another role.

He went from being fired after failing to convince the board to remove one of his opponents to being on a board that unanimously backs his return with his opponents all removed, because the majority of staff demonstrated unquestioning loyalty to him. Hard to spin that as anything other than a win. The only slight downside is his position is evidently dependent on Microsoft's patronage, but I'd rather have one seat in…

Having employees leave for Microsoft is the least of the board's worries.

Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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Post by hef19898 » Sat, Mar 09, 2024, 6:56 PM UTC

ben_w wrote: post #260

hef19898 wrote: post #249

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One of us IANAL folks have one thing ChatGPT doesn't: we don't make up stuff up.

One of the more amusing dismissals of ChatGPT that I've heard is "mansplaining as a service". We absolutely do make stuff up, we just don't realise we're doing it.

True, absolutely true. At least I hope most lawyers don't make up stuff in court filings, unless they use ChatGPT...

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Post by coffeebeqn » Sat, Mar 09, 2024, 7:32 PM UTC

jimkleiber wrote: post #186

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What could ants invent to keep humans aligned with them? Well, the bees figured it out.

Kinda. We've invented many things to control and/or kill bees.

We killed off a very large percentage of wild bees with pesticides and land “development” and keep one subspecies in artificial colonies and harvest their most prized outputs while controlling their rate of reproduction and even their queens. We also mass murder colonies when they are in any way inconvenient to a single human.

If anyone hopes AI will treat people like we do other species they’re not thinking very hard. What’s the best case - dogs? They have basically no freedoms and we breed them for whatever funny qualities someone thinks might be amusing. A pack of wild/free dogs will be rounded up and killed if it inconveniences a single human

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Post by smegger001 » Sat, Mar 09, 2024, 9:03 PM UTC

ben_w wrote: post #270

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> How much open source code and research does the Catholic Church publish? The Catholic church has not only engaged in centuries of religious scholarship, it has given the knowledge freely to anyone. They even set up buildings where you can go and they will teach you what they have found, most people go on Sunday. That isn't to mention their patronizing of the arts supported the greatest painters and composers that h…

> The Catholic church has not only engaged in centuries of religious scholarship, it has given the knowledge freely to anyone. They even set up buildings where you can go and they will teach you what they have found, most people go on Sunday. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_Librorum_Prohibitorum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_Apostolic_Archive Also, one of the biggest issues that Martin Luther had with Cat…

On the otherhand measuring and organization like the Catholic church and judging it today by its worst behavior over 500 years ago (while ignoring the environment it was in at the time no one ever mentions the Muslim conquest of the Iberian Peninsula, and the Ottoman conquest of Constantinople going on concurrently) and ignoring the massive changes in teaching, theology and behavior that has happened in the intervening centuries.

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Post by Retric » Sat, Mar 09, 2024, 9:46 PM UTC

BehindBlueEyes wrote: post #292

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The US government does, which is what matters.

I am surprised that using non profit status to build a business and transferring/converting to for profit down the line isn’t considered a form of tax evasion.

It's all about what happens to the money.

Many non profits generate revenue from operating a business rather than gift giving. Sesame workshop's deal with HBO and various merchandising deals with Elmo etc on a day to day basis looks a lot like a business, they just reinvest that money into content rather than handing money to investors.

Ultimately, most non profits would prefer a giant endowment which can provide them a low risk income stream. Which is why breaking off such ventures is surprisingly common, most of them don't revive 16 billion in outside funding and such media attention. But, again the important bit is what happens to the money / resources. Buy or sell a building, business, or other asset at fair market value and everything is fine.