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Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by stephc_int13 »

andersa wrote: post #280
stephc_int13 wrote: post #278

What a bunch of clowns! Seriously, Apple? Are they so full of hubris that they could not see how their haste would backfire? Given the compensation level of their legal team I’d expect that they could see it coming and spare the public humiliation and brand damage. I can’t believe this is real.

Maybe they've finally realized that the $38 billion fine for failing to comply was in fact not a joke. The stock dumped 10% almost immediately after the announcement, might also have something to do with it.

Like any mafia bosses in Scorcese movies, they fail to see when they lost hand.

I’d love to see the faces of Cook and Schiller at this point.

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Post by Hamuko »

montagg wrote: post #286

One of the worst gaming user experiences on Windows is how every publisher wants their own store. And depending on where you get a game, it may or may not have certain features. And if you get into modding, sometimes one version of the game just won't work with some mods. I understand everyone feels good about increased competition with Apple—and hopefully it turns out well for users—but iOS is hurtling toward the sa…

If Google or Mozilla release real versions of their browsers for iOS/iPadOS and offer long support for them, then I see it as a win. I've seen so many usable iPads turn into e-waste because Safari is out of date and can't be updated.

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Post by skydhash »

rchaud wrote: post #97
anonymouse008 wrote: post #15

Not trying to start a flame war, I'm asking this earnestly. Where does this command over hardware (USB-C mandate), software (sideloading/AppStore), and prices (recent 2bn decision) end?

If enough shareholders vote in favour of Apple leaving the EU and its overbearing regulations, that's when it would end. They won't because they know Apple exiting would simply hand the market to those that can bear the harsh yoke of consumer regulation.

I think tech, particularly the digital landscape, is one of the few industry that are not regulated. Everything else from transport to food has strict regulation. It's not like anyone can build housing whenever and however he wants in the US.

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Post by voxic11 »

montagg wrote: post #286

One of the worst gaming user experiences on Windows is how every publisher wants their own store. And depending on where you get a game, it may or may not have certain features. And if you get into modding, sometimes one version of the game just won't work with some mods. I understand everyone feels good about increased competition with Apple—and hopefully it turns out well for users—but iOS is hurtling toward the sa…

You must be the only person on Windows who likes the Windows store. I'm personally really glad alternatives like steam exist.

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Post by abduhl »

modeless wrote: post #288
kbf wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not defending Apple’s stance here, but I think the point they were making is that Epic had already admitted to intentionally breaking their previous agreements with Apple for their own gain. The court then ruled that Apple could ban Epic for any reason. Sweeney essentially called the new terms illegitimate while at the same time entering a new agreement where those terms applied to Epic. It’s somewhat understanda…

They believed in good faith that Apple's terms were illegal. There is nothing wrong with breaking an illegal contract. Yes, they lost in court but it wasn't a foregone conclusion. Apple's continuing retaliation is petty and likely to get them in trouble.

But Apple's terms and contract weren't illegal.

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Post by giantrobot »

IncandescentGas wrote: post #291
terhechte wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least in the U.S. business owners have the right to refuse service or turn away a customer to protect their patrons and business. That's the issue with all these providers. Every couple of weeks there's a story from someone whose Google account was suddenly closed with no way to access their emails or pictures again.

This is very problematic when monopolies are involved. “You are banned from Taco Bell for the rest of your life” is very different from “You are banned from all restaurants anywhere for the rest of your life.” If all restaurants are Taco Bell, is it reasonable to allow such bans by taco bell?

Actual monopolies (utility companies forex) are required to do business with people. Utility companies which almost always are regional monopolies have to deal with customers so long as bills are paid. There's also processes for halting service in the case of non-payment. The utility can't cut your power because you were mean to them on Twitter.

Apple is not a monopoly anywhere on the planet and has no such requirement.

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Post by airstrike »

ineedaj0b wrote: post #261
jncfhnb wrote: post #130

Apple’s behavior largely makes sense given what a huge share of their profits their racketeering of customer access earns them. If you ever wanted to see regulation pains as the cost of doing business, this is it. But banning epic was just pathetic baby behavior. I hope epic launches the epic game store for iOS and its dogshit but cheaper and the gacha gravy boats all jump ship

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us?

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Post by idontpost »

mass_and_energy wrote: post #240
autoexec wrote: post #226

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Students are tipping teachers now? Tipping culture really has gone off the rails.

Can someone please explain how this isn't bribery in disguise? I'd have graduated with honors if my teachers accepted tips

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Post by blibble »

PlutoIsAPlanet wrote: post #279
lilyball wrote: post #263

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EU rules say Apple can't prioritize their own browser. PWAs only work with WebKit due to the iOS security model, and the amount of work necessary to try to support PWAs with third-party browser engines securely was way out of scope for the time frame to support the DMA. Because Apple can't prioritize their own browser, they had to remove PWA support entirely in the EU. Naturally there was a lot of backlash, and so Ap…

I don't really see it as prioritising your own browser. It's a system level feature and uses the system provided web engine. Microsoft doesn't let you swap out EdgeHTML or Trident for applications that use the native OS web frame. But apps shouldn't be forced to use that web frame is the issue the commission had and the DMA attempts to resolve.

> Microsoft doesn't let you swap out EdgeHTML or Trident for applications that use the native OS web frame.

I remember quite clearly a gecko (firefox) implementation of the trident COM interface

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