If your car key can be copied using a simple replay attack, it is not a key.
You can copy most old-style keys from a picture of them... that seems like the wireless equivalent...
Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft
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Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft
#302If your car key can be copied using a simple replay attack, it is not a key.
You can copy most old-style keys from a picture of them... that seems like the wireless equivalent...
You don't shout your physical keys into the sky every time you unlock your door for anyone in a 100m radius to hear.
Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft
#303If your car key can be copied using a simple replay attack, it is not a key.
You can copy most old-style keys from a picture of them... that seems like the wireless equivalent...
As the other reply said, you don't broadcast your metal car keys to the world every time you use them.
But, also, there's a reason cars have been using microchipped keys for the last 25+ years.
There are ways to transmit information securely that prevent replay and other attacks. (See: Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, TLS, etc.) If car manufacturers weren't lazy and cheap, they could solve this problem, but they don't really care. They get money when you buy the car, then if you're car gets stolen, they get more money when you buy a replacement. Not solving the issue is in their favor.
Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft
#304Did they ban USB cables too, because of KIA?
Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft
#305"For example, to copy car keys. It is unacceptable that it is possible to buy tools that help car theft on major online shopping platforms." should be "For example, to copy car keys. It is unacceptable that it is allowed to build cars without proper security that help car theft."
So ban USB cables next
Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft
#306"For example, to copy car keys. It is unacceptable that it is possible to buy tools that help car theft on major online shopping platforms." should be "For example, to copy car keys. It is unacceptable that it is allowed to build cars without proper security that help car theft."
The other joke is, it has also known that car mfgs just let dealers have access to the key databases they hold for cars to make new ones rather than just cloning a physical key...and crooked dealership employees use it behind the scenes.
Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft
#307Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can copy most old-style keys from a picture of them... that seems like the wireless equivalent...
You don't shout your physical keys into the sky every time you unlock your door for anyone in a 100m radius to hear.
> You don't shout your physical keys into the sky
Sure you do... all you need is a very high resolution camera in the vicinity....
Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft
#308Canadian government once again proving it is stupid. These are the same groups that had moral panics and tried to ban video games and rock and roll without any actual information.
Just root a phone and you have a far more powerful hacking platform.
Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft
#309Pure ignorance and trend following. This is literally just a (very) custom build of the Mattel GirlTech IM-ME wireless instant messenger. I'd say, "Are they going to ban all devices with a TI CC1110?" but they just might try it.
Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft
#310Blame flipper instead of blaming weak-ass security protocols, way to go Canada.
Next, the root of all evils: screwdrivers, which, if you are smart enough, can be used to open things that are screwed shut!
Think of the children!