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Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Post by pi-e-sigma »

shiroiuma wrote: post #263
seti0Cha wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm. I don't want to sound harsh, but I've been in the industry for nearly 3 decades and I've never been in a place where HR has been effective in helping train managers. I'm not saying it never happens, just that I haven't seen it. In fact, I wouldn't generally characterize HR departments as paragons of good management, so I'm not sure they are usually in a position to teach such things. Not their fault really, I do…

I think it's not just experience, it's partly about picking the right people, and not picking the wrong people. Some people are just not good managers, and no amount of training is going to make them a likeable person with good people skills needed to lead a team of people. Many places seem to want to pick someone who has the best technical skills, and then assume he'll magically become a great manager somehow. I thi…

Since when HR has no real power? In most places they can block any hiring decision . That's a lot of power and no accountability

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Post by yafinder »

What happens when everything stops growing, though?

For decades our industry growed faster than almost any other industry and definitely faster than the economy as a whole. It's mathematically unsustainable. It must come to an end at some point, and that point is near.

Is it simply time to retire?

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Post by incomingpain »

There was an interesting graph a few years back about amazon and all the warehouses they are building.

They had grown from ~100,000 employees in 2013 to 1.5 million in 2021. The growth rate would suggest they'd employ everyone in north america in only a few years.

While possible in theory, the government could never allow it. If a corporation were able to grow to that size, they essentially become the government. Bezos could simply tell his people to not send the taxes to the government and the government instantly collapses within months.

So unsurprisingly government went in and started restricting amazon. They can basically never grow again, they can't ever threaten the government's existence. Amazon to a large degree is now a US government ngo. Bezos is obviously no longer ceo and amazon laid off a group. And what has amazon done for the last 2 years, not much of anything.

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Post by irrational »

coldpie wrote: post #250
irrational wrote: post #101

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Except, some jobs really really don't require much if any collaboration. We've been having to come back into the office since last September. In all that time, I've only spoken to another person a single time. Literally one hour in one day in the past 5 months. All meetings are still over zoom and when I'm not in a meeting, I just find some place in the building to sit and work. Except many people still weren't comin…

Buddy, why on Earth are you still working there?

Really good benefits. Just in terms of vacation, we get 11 vacation days a year, a paid week off in the summer, paid Fridays off in the summer, 6 week paid sabbatical every 5 years, and 8 hours of paid time off every pay period (26 times a year) that we can bank and roll over from year to year.

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Post by beeboop »

incomingpain wrote: post #304

There was an interesting graph a few years back about amazon and all the warehouses they are building. They had grown from ~100,000 employees in 2013 to 1.5 million in 2021. The growth rate would suggest they'd employ everyone in north america in only a few years. While possible in theory, the government could never allow it. If a corporation were able to grow to that size, they essentially become the government. Bez…

> the government could never allow it. If a corporation were able to grow to that size, they essentially become the government

the US government is already overwhelmingly something that is structured by and for the benefit of corporations

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Post by beeboop »

throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #71

"Try and get a job at somewhere growing rapidly" Personally I try and get a job at a company whose mission and ethics I believe in so I don't feel like a hapless techno-weenie cog in some generic startup wheel whose driving purpose is to give the founders a nice exit. Sadly for my skillset, the people hiring are generally evil or their net effect on the world is negative. Looking into goat farming.

> whose driving purpose is to give the founders a nice exit

this seems to exist everywhere? no matter the stated the mission, no one is owning a business to not make money off it

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Post by m1117 »

sumanthvepa wrote: post #223
m1117 wrote: post #175

Because I personally don't like remote work, I'm ok with requiring 100% RTO. But bad management is a problem.

Out of curiosity, may I ask why?

Mainly because it's not pleasant to work w/ bad management. Bad culture starts from management - pretentiousness, stressed colleagues, micromanagement etc.

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Post by azemetre »

29athrowaway wrote: post #162
worewood wrote: post #99

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I agree with you, except the last sentence, which may vary from place to place. My office is very friendly and people have very good humour. Which is good for socializing but for work, it's tough because so many interruptions and we waste a lot of time "talking about the weather". I am way more productive working at home.

They have good humor, always want to have coffee and lunch, and are your best friends forever. Until you change jobs and you never hear from them again.

I mean that’s just life. Why is this a bad thing?

You go through periods of time and when that chapter ends you move onto the next chapter.

Expecting a band of misfits to stick together for 40 years is what is atypical.

When I was in college I had a great group of friends but after we all graduated we went in completely different directions, industries, and live vastly different lives. The friendship was perfect in the moment but now I’m in a new one.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Post by Scoundreller »

kabdib wrote: post #21

Signs that I've seen before leaving: * There are more VPs than there are restrooms. * The free coffee and soda is no more. * Engineers are co-opted as salespeople ("... and why is the project late?").

Toilet paper quality is a good metric.

Nice thing is that it’s easy to do pre-employment testing.

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