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NileRed for HN, paging NileRed for a video about non conductive liquids in USBC PD
NileRed: I turned this MacBook Pro into Cotton Candy!
At least bigstackD can recover the aluminum afterward.
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#302I wonder if Apple will ever make a waterproof laptop or tablet. It seems like they could easily make the macbook air waterproof at this point, if they were so inclined. What do people who want use their macs out in the field do?
Making a keyboard fully water proof is tricky and often leads to subpar experiences. If you don't have a fan making everything else but the keyboard(and mousepad) water resistant is not hard, and with a bit more trickery about how the keyboard are connected you can get to everything but keyboard waterproof too. Issue is then you also need a easy replaceable keyboard and hand replacement keyboard out so that people ca…
My iBook G4 I think was the last mac with a keyboard you could replace without using tools and opening the case.
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And Sony Xperias still come with headphone jacks today[1] after they tried Apple'ing for a couple models and got laughed at. [1]: https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/mobile-phones-table...
Real question / No trolling: I feel like I am the last living human who still uses the headphone jack. When I walk around my city, I see almost zero other people using it. They using wireless earbuds. I avoid wireless earbuds to avoid yet-another-battery-to-be-charged. Is this true for other HNers also?
I dislike wired headphones for daily use and I've wanted small wireless in-ear headphones since long before the wireless earbud explosion kicked off. However, I still really, really want the headphone jack back. Mainly for connecting to non-wireless sound equipment, for easily attaching a microphone and for phone calls where sound quality is important.
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#304IMO it's dirty pool for Apple to advertise their products as waterproof (IP68) and then even if a drop of water gets on the external case, they will refuse to honor the warranty, even if the water has nothing to do with the problem. They don't even want to perform out of warranty, paid repairs if any of the liquid sensors are tripped. A few years back I had an MBP that the battery had worn out on, but several years b…
To add another anecdote, Apple refused to honor the warranty on an AirPod Pro with sweat-related damage. Nevermind that it's supposed to be "sweat and water resistant", they seem to treat any kind of liquid damage as user error anyway. Luckily it was from Costco, so I just returned it and switched to Shockz.
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Nobody really cares about audio quality any more. I used to, but I realised that my mid-40s ears are now the limiting factor, so I might as well have the convenience of wireless. The real problem isn't 'another device to charge' though, it's battery degradation and the wasteful, disposable nature of Airpods.
there are wireless in ears with replaceable batteries (notably, the sony WF1000XM_ series), they just have a considerably worse form factor and a comparatively dogshit software experience while competing at the same price point as airpods pro
The sony are better: ANC + LDAC
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I am certain that many people have been denied warranty claims because they live in cold climates and visit indoor swimming pools regularly (coaches/lifeguards/spectators etc). The condensation in that situation is impressive.
I came here to point this out - sounds like a class action lawsuit waiting to happen. Whenever there is a 'detection' method it's almost never foolproof and usually pretty junk. For me at least, add it to the list of reasons why "never Apple", dirty broken process by another corrupt tech company.
It's okay, we did the same thing for warranty claims when I worked CS and Tech Support for one of the major phone carriers a decade ago. If the LDI was tripped we wouldn't replace it under warranty, and I'm sure there was more than one warranty replacement I rejected that was a false trip instead of actual liquid damage (a better indicator for this is corrosion on solder joints than those stupid stickers).
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Sure, this is the same principle of, eg, the mineral oil cooled PC: https://www.pugetsystems.com/mineral-oil-pc/
Also some companies like 3M actually make a collection of liquids specifically for immersion cooling in data centres, so it's mature enough that people are happy to use it even in a data centre setting.
I wonder if any of those coolant varieties survived the recent jihad against fluorochemicals. AFAIK 3M is out of the business entirely at this point.
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The iPhone is full of water detector stickers inside and they do reject warranty claims if water got in. They say you must have done something you shouldn't have if that happens, like diving deep or something. They will even refuse to install a new battery if you pay them.
Apple recently quoted me 2,300$ to fix just one broken keyboard key (it was M, if you were wondering), because according to them the water sensors were tripped and it's policy to replace the mtherboard if that happens. Which apparently costs more than buying another two working identical MacBook Pros. The laptop has never gotten wet, and everything apart from the M key was working perfectly.
To fix this problem never buy a Mac again.
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I don't know, the first sentence says: > Apple’s limited warranty doesn’t cover damage caused by liquids, even for water-resistant products like the iPhone, Apple Watch, and some AirPods models. But the article is kind of all over the place. It then says Macs can now detect water in USB-C ports while having pictures in the article of iPhones showing messages that they detected liquids. They like to make the point tha…
The iPhone is full of water detector stickers inside and they do reject warranty claims if water got in. They say you must have done something you shouldn't have if that happens, like diving deep or something. They will even refuse to install a new battery if you pay them.
I don't understand why people let them get away with this inductive logic.
While it COULD mean you used the device out of spec, it could just as easily mean THEY MESSED UP when manufacturing your device.
On the whole, its more likely that your phone had a pinhole defect from the factory than you ran into 3+ feet of water and threw your phone in.
If they can't prove they did waterproof compliance testing my specific device before they shipped it, then they should be assumed to be responsible.
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That doesn't say "Apple considers the warranty void if water ends up in the USB port", that says "Apple's warranty doesn't cover water damage". EDIT: to be clear, the warranty can absolutely be a factor! Depending on your situation, having a phone with a warranty (or maybe insurance) which covers water damage could be a good idea! It's just not as simple "water detected in USB port -> warranty void", and this "preven…
They claim it's water damage no matter the issue as soon as the indicators are triggered, though.
Yes but the triggers are inside the phone, not inside the port. This detection is only for liquid in the port so as to prevent corrosion and damage to the port itself.