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Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by Baldbvrhunter »

> Mozilla intends to focus on A.I. -- so we can expect more A.I. investment, and possible A.I. services, in the year ahead.

back in March Moziila announced $30m for A.I. services [0]

what's weird is that wound business strategy is usually "what are our core strengths?" instead we get

> A little over two years ago, Mozilla started an ambitious project: deciding where we should focus our efforts to grow the movement of people committed to building a healthier digital world. We landed on the idea of trustworthy AI. [1]

OK, despite my skeptisism what's the plan

> Mozilla.ai’s initial focus? Tools that make generative AI safer and more transparent. And, people-centric recommendation systems that don’t misinform or undermine our well-being. We’ll share more on these — and what we’re building — in the coming months. [0]

While that's all very nice, who on earth are the customers? Is there a eshop somewhere lamenting "our recommendation system is not people centric" ?

[0] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/introducing-mozilla-ai-i...

[1] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozillas-vision-for-trus...

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by kettleballroll »

Nexxxeh wrote: post #209
mrazomor wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a large part of the modern internet users are mobile-only, and the amount of people who use anything but what Google tells them to (or Apple allows them to) is vanishingly small. I'm a Chrome user. Both on desktop and mobile because of the built in syncing. If I were able to switch to Firefox mobile (Android), I would. But the rendering is often broken or awkwardly different on Firefox mobile. I thought this is a t…

Are you using uBlock Origin in Firefox on Android? If not, then try it. You'd have to prise it from my cold dead hands. By far the best mobile browsing experience. Not entirely perfect, there's a bug where I'll occasionally get a grey screen on a tab. Hasn't happened enough for me to do anything about tho. But still orders of magnitude better than my experience with Chrome on Android.

FYI, I've been using ublock origin with Firefox on android for years and never encountered the bug you're talking about, so it might be rooted in something else. I'm using a pixel 6 ( and a pixel 3 before that), in case that's relevant

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by Semaphor »

duped wrote: post #182
Semaphor wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I posted some stats from our website a few weeks ago [0], GA was heavily undercounting FF compared to our server-side stats based on UAs. One other thing to remember, is to check the falling of desktop usage, because a large part of the modern internet users are mobile-only, and the amount of people who use anything but what Google tells them to (or Apple allows them to) is vanishingly small. [0]: https://news.ycombi…

Is GA counting Firefox on iOS as Firefox or Safari?

That’d be interesting to know, but I don’t use anything apple.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by Semaphor »

paledot wrote: post #294
mrazomor wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hit a few in the past. But, I'm failing to find any of them at the moment... Maybe I should give Firefox mobile another try. It could be that my baseline was the Chrome rendering, so any discrepancy was classified as "it's broken".

Honestly, in this day and age, any discrepancy from Chromium/WebKit is probably broken. But if we're talking about a few pixels' difference here and there, plenty of sites are more broken than that on every browser. I have encountered a couple of (financial, natch) sites that insist on a Chromium-based browser in order to do vital operations like download statements. Switching browsers for those few exceptions is ann…

Have you tried a user-agent switcher? I think you can even set them up to always have a specific agent depending on the domain. Chances are, they don’t need chromium, they are just written by (even more than you’d think) incompetent people.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by nvm0n2 »

mvdtnz wrote: post #71

I hope Mozilla leadership realises that Firefox is the only thing lending their company any credibility with their subscription products. Without Firefox, Mozilla VPN and any of their supposed "AI" products are just another also-ran in a saturated commodity market. That "subscription and advertising" line item on their balance sheet relies on Firefox, it doesn't replace it. Firefox's nosediving market share should re…

Revenue from Google is not falling fast enough for Baker to care any time soon. She'll be retired before it's a problem.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by nvm0n2 »

ksec wrote: post #287
mips_r4300i wrote: post #9

"The focus for the future of Mozilla -- according to Mozilla -- is primarily based around Artificial Intelligence services." I sense a great disturbance in the Force...

We laugh about it but at least it is not something cultural or political. I mean the bar is so low this focus is actually a plus in my book.

It is. Their interest in AI isn't about how to make it cheaper or more effective, it's how to make it "healthier" and "safer" by which they mean more ideologically controlled.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by jsnell »

hellotomyrars wrote: post #293
jsnell wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox makes half a billion a year in revenue. It's not a handout like you claim, but a revenue share deal negotiated between the two companies. If Google didn't pay for being the default search engine, or tried lowballing, someone else would make a deal instead. The idea that it's some kind of a proactive antitrust defense is one of the more bizarre ideas that gets repeated on HN.

More than one thing can be true at the same time. Deals are usually made because interests are aligned. There is a direct benefit to an overwhelmingly dominant player to be able to point to any competitor. There is also a direct benefit to having people use your product. There is even a tertiary benefit of the money theoretically going to development for Firefox that could feed back into their own product. If you loo…

> Why would you pay a direct competitor to exist when the amount of money you put in to them is an incredibly large majority of their revenue?

One plausible reason is that Google is not a monolith: the entity paying the money is the Search division, which does not compete with Firefox. Chrome does, but Chrome is not a party to the deal. Search is interested in maximizing their own profit, not in maximizing Chrome's usage share.

> Firefox continues to become more irrelevant, and the amount of their revenue they get from Google doesn't really reflect that trend.

It is a revenue share deal. Firefox gets some specific (agreed) percentage of the search revenue from searches done via the Firefox search bar. If the revenue Firefox gets is stable despite reduced relevance, it is because the revenue is stable.

Relevance doesn't translate to revenue. What matters is the number of users and revenue per user.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by nottorp »

NegativeLatency wrote: post #268
nottorp wrote: post #207

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It's not. No uBlock Origin.

Yes that’s true, I do miss it but I’ve found 1Blocker and adguard home to be sufficient

Hmm I've taken a quick look at these two but I have questions:

- are their blocking lists public so they can be verified?

- adguard home seems to be a dns based solution that you install in your home... which means it won't help when you're on someone else's wifi

- also adguard is "protecting your children". I just want tracking protection not censorship.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by ksec »

nvm0n2 wrote: post #307
ksec wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We laugh about it but at least it is not something cultural or political. I mean the bar is so low this focus is actually a plus in my book.

It is. Their interest in AI isn't about how to make it cheaper or more effective, it's how to make it "healthier" and "safer" by which they mean more ideologically controlled.

>it's how to make it "healthier" and "safer" by which they mean more ideologically controlled.

Thanks for pointing this out. I didn't read the actual details. I guess I still have too much good faith on these people.

Sigh.

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