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Re: Generation Junk

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My granddad was just telling me of cars in the '40s that needed an oul change and "lube job" every 1000 miles.

The concept of a regular “tune-up” has likewise fallen out. Older cars needed carbs adjusted seasonally, spark plugs replaced, caps and rotors, timing, etc. tires are genuinely incredible. A car over 100k miles used to be at the end of its life, now cheap cars routinely go double that. Those are all things that are still in cars (or have been replaced with digital equivalents) but have become so reliable that we need…

Back in Ye Olden Car Days, making it to 100,000 miles was a mark of competent ownership & maintenance, as applied to fundamentally sound engineering. Chevy small blocks could make it. Novas, Malibus.

But yes, along the way were regular hassles with engine timing and carburetor adjustments. You could DIY if you invested in a timing light and you knew what you were doing, but you could also just take it to a garage, back when indie garages could still regularly undercut ripoff dealerships.

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It feels like the author might be exaggerating ever so slightly, but it conveys a general feeling that things are built cheaply and without durability in mind.

To me, whether it's worse or better than before is somewhat of a moot point. To follow their example: after a hundred years of building juicers, we should have global juicer expertise. The generations of juicers created, the feedback on the models, the breakage rate should have generated a general knowledge of the best techniques for juice extraction, of the materials that are most adequate for the task, and how assembly should be designed for maximum durability. But we don't. What we have instead is cheap juicers, which underlines the point that cheap is what matters in how the design. Be it for maximum profitability or low price point.

Following on their other example about coffee grinders: last year I renewed my coffee making stack. I like coffee such az many here, and wanted good hardware; quality first, and cost a secondary concern. I took care of asking friends, watching videos, going on forums, reading tests. I ended up investing quite a bit in a Baratza machine, which is quite celebrated and very repairable, they sell replacement parts at reasonable cost, they even give you tips on how to extend longevity. All marks of a manufacturer who wants their craft to last. I suspect that you might be able to find the one juicer on some small website which ships direct from the manufacturer in Vermont. Juicing enthusiasts share their experience and knowhow on juicing websites and all swear by their mothers that this one brand revolutionized juicing for them. For equipment with any mild complexity, you need to acquire a relative expertise, and shop in the outskirts of the market. And obviously, you have time for that only for the stuff you care about.

As per not picking the cheapest option, price isn't a good indicator of quality. Certainly if you keep surrounding yourself with the cheapest copies, things will always break around you. But you'll get more reliability from a Corolla made by a manufacturer which obsesses about quality, then from a Mercedes which targets premium and luxury. Additional manufacturing cost is generally used to add more features and better looking materials, rather than producing sturdier things.

Anecdotally, I am still using the peeler I bought when I was a student over 20y ago. I can guarantee you that no research went into this option, and it was likely the cheapest option that Tiengong had to offer back then.

I enjoyed reading this, it's well written and entertaining.

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I'm curious. My previous soft was from Ikea. Of course Ikea makes cheap disposable furniture but this sofa, IMO, was not one of those. It was made of real wood, not particle board. It was super well designed. It assembled into 4 parts using slots and a few very large steal bolts and was also easy to disassemble for moving. It's entire cover was easy to remove so you could clean stains or easily replace it. Same for t…

Let me also add, in many other categories, I've rarely found a correlation between price, brand, and quality. Worst luggage I ever owned was Rimowa. It was the most expensive I've bought and broke several times. They'd fix it, but who wants to spend their vacation taking their luggage to the repair shop (and lugging it full from the airport to the hotel while it's broke) Worst and most expensive jacket I ever bought,…

Both those brands are exactly that - brands - where a lot of the cost of the product is recycled right back into advertising to convince you that the brands are actually worth the prices they charge.

When buying clothing, it's worthwhile to spend a little bit of time learning what makes quality clothing and what doesn't. That's very helpful in avoiding over-branded garbage being sold for far more than it cost to make in a sweatshop.

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the Miele vacuums are incredible. If you want appliances that last, buy the commercial ones. Hobart makes an under counter dishwasher that you can bet will never wear out and can be repaired. Shell out for an industrial washing machine like they have at the laundromats. Those things are made to run all day for years. If they break down, they're repairable.

My Miele dishwasher has totally failed less than 5 years old. Not worth the expensive price. Probably fixable but requires a multi-hundred-$ relay. I haven't fixed it because of my time cost (such a hassle). Previously bought a much cheaper dishwasher for my previous house that is still going strong. I found a geeky person on the sales floor that dealt with dishwasher returns and asked his advice for buying a reliabl…

Having remodeled several kitchens, this has also been my experience.

If there were a brand that released exactly one of each appliance, over-built that one model, and invested the budget in robust components instead of wifi smart home touch screen bullshit, I would love to stop becoming an expert in all these product categories.

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So this article implies that a number of things that we buy previously were built to last longer, and indeed did last longer. The first few examples are kitchen appliances. In this case I don't really know, but I'm at least willing to listen. Ultimately the evidence is people responding to a thread on Twitter where he solicited complaints. Not so compelling. But then he mentions a "hybrid sedan". Here I'm aware of th…

I was just talking to my wife the other day about smaller items that are not being built to last. You can clearly see in products these days the built in capitalism. We’ve reached a point where I wonder how much more they can milk it. Making things smaller, reducing quality of parts, reducing thickness or length of parts and so on… that day we had experienced:

A board game where the plastic has been made thinner and thinner over years until the game really doesn’t function now.

A game where you drop a marble in a cylinder on top of plastic rods that slot in sideways and the game is to remove the rods and whoever drops the marble loses… well these rods were so flimsy they didn’t hold the marble up.

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I’ve had to buy a lot of furniture and other things for my new house this year, and one of the things that really sticks out to me is that practically every category of product seems to be split into a bimodal distribution: cheap crap & luxury boutique. There are practically no entries occupying the middle of the market that are on the basic end regarding features & frills but also high-quality. It’s incredibly annoy…

Yea, I've been trying to find a proper TV stand/entertainment center.

The options are: Ikea Cardboard (my current choice), or design/looks first boutique stuff that's not meant to hold anything except a TV (no holes for wiring etc - things that the Ikea one has...)

Currently I'm looking at local carpenters, it's gonna be about the same for a fully custom built hardwood unit vs the boutique choice.

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I’ve had to buy a lot of furniture and other things for my new house this year, and one of the things that really sticks out to me is that practically every category of product seems to be split into a bimodal distribution: cheap crap & luxury boutique. There are practically no entries occupying the middle of the market that are on the basic end regarding features & frills but also high-quality. It’s incredibly annoy…

I'm curious. My previous soft was from Ikea. Of course Ikea makes cheap disposable furniture but this sofa, IMO, was not one of those. It was made of real wood, not particle board. It was super well designed. It assembled into 4 parts using slots and a few very large steal bolts and was also easy to disassemble for moving. It's entire cover was easy to remove so you could clean stains or easily replace it. Same for t…

Ikea has some good stuff and some cheap stuff. Their thing is that even their cheap stuff _looks_ good and fits with the look of more expensive ones.

Our current dining room table is from Ikea. 100% birch. It'll outlast us all, it cost about 30% of a similar boutique one. The chairs are plastic/wood composite from Ikea, cheap AF but still fit perfectly with the table.

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I wonder: is this person incredibly bad at making purchases? I mean… just incredibly bad? Or do they not do maintenance? The LG washer and Dryer I bought 20 yrs ago still works a champ. Come to think of it, the only appliance I’ve had issue with in the last 20 years is my coffee grinder, which after about 10 years of heavy use I sent to Baratazza and paid for it repaired. So I’m just not seeing this, even a little bi…

Hmm… thinking more about this, and seeing others comments, maybe… I’m unusually good at buying things? That’s an unexpected thought, but it did make me realize that I research every major purchase on some combination of Consumer Reports / Wirecutter / focused review sites, and maybe that’s unusual? Do most people not do that?

Nope they don't. Since I subscribed to which (the UK equivalent of CR) my appliances have been much better quality for not much more cost. That being said, ask me again in a decade.

Re: Generation Junk

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>And the hybrid sedan with fifty thousand miles on it that also turned into a brick while going eighty down the freeway, losing its power steering, its power brakes, its power everything.

And that is why "drive by wire" is a mistake in cars. It may be unnerving for someone who never drove a car with no power steering and no power breaks to suddenly loose it while going 80mph, but it's not going to kill you unless you're quite unlucky (it goes off the moment you try overtaking, you have to brake hard etc.) But if the power goes off with a drive by wire car? You're dead.

"But airplanes", yes huge airplanes had drive/fly by wire for a long time. I still remember when people would prefer to fly Boeing rather than Airbus airliners, because Boeing planes still had physical connection between control surfaces and the yoke/pedals ,while the corresponding airbus model didn't.

However, these are hugely expensive machines worth tens if not hundreds of millions of $ with teams of highly skilled maintenance personnel checking them out at a very tight schedule. Aren't there smaller planes with fly by wire? Yes, for example F16, and other military jets. How much do they cost, and how are they maintained? Probably the same as commercial airliners, if not better.

So what about your typical "cessna"? I've looked online for a while to find any small plane using fly by wire and I didn't find one. When searching for cessna fly by wire I found Cessna is just "warming up" to the idea in their business jets putting one control surface "the flaps" on fly by wire while everything else is directly hydraulicly actuated by the yoke/pedals on their Columbus business jets.

And Elon thinks it's a good idea for a car that costs $100k (supposedly $40 later)? What happens when that car is 20 years old? Unless they know for a fact it will be scrapped after 10 years than it's fine.

Don't tell me about its dual/redundant motor and triple sensors, unless each motor also has its own battery with cables routed differently and a controller that can still do stearing when the other battery connection gets chewed through by rodents and contacts for this one are so corroded it barely works.

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A toaster in 1951 was $21, which is about $250 today. I would argue that a $250 toaster today is still not a "buy it for life" item, but it would certainly have a lot of bells and whistles and almost no user-serviceable parts.

Toasters are an interesting case study. I went on a tear last year after being fed up with every toaster doing the same bad job. I thought maybe someone made a proper toaster. What I found is that when you pay more the coat of paint gets nicer and maybe there's an MCU+LCD, but the guts and logic are identical. There is no good commercially available toaster today. It's sending a very loud message about how markets op…

If you want a great toaster, just get this one:

https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/gp/product/B07PHLN9DD

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