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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by light_hue_1 »

photon_collider wrote: post #267
cyberax wrote: post #29

Tesla cars are interesting. The drivetrain and the battery are very reliable and will likely be never need service. But everything else is shitty. The construction quality, random breakages, neverending rattles are annoying. My Tesla spent more time in service than my partner's Toyota, and this includes regular oil changes.

I’ve thought about buying a Tesla for years now but stories like this have dissuaded me. I would have hoped that issues such as these would have been resolved by now. But, I’m glad that the other auto makers are starting to finally bring some competition in the EV market.

This is like going to the Dell laptop support forums and concluding that 100% of Dells are bad.

Because Musk is an idiot it's fashionable to hate on Tesla. But there are plenty of us out there who have had an amazing experience. We had one minor issue in 4 years and it was fixed extremely promptly. The car is amazing.

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Post by WolfRazu »

janoc wrote: post #262
elif wrote: post #249

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Weird. Is your wife's phone nearby by chance? The only time this happens to me it's because we are both walking to the car together and her phone unlocks it before mine does.

And why would that feature rely on a phone in the first place instead of letting the driver change the profile when getting behind the wheel? Or e.g. use a fingerprint sensor or interior camera (which some of the Teslas do have)? That sounds like some software guy somewhere didn't realize that those seats in the car aren't only for carrying air but that actual people or, gosh, occasional other drivers ride in them to…

There is an easy profile toggle

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Post by rubidium »

rs_rs_rs_rs_rs wrote: post #134
seshagiric wrote: post #127

My experience as a Model Y owner: What works: - best in class software quality. Both various controls (lights, wipers, electronic parking brake etc.) and infotainment work just right. - Navigation is quite good, especially considering it automatically adds/ suggests charging locations as needed. - Steering assist (automatic lane and speed control) is quite handy. I never felt the need for trying out autopilot. What d…

>Price drops. Cars depreciate but to have a $10-15K price drop right after I purchased really sucked. For this reason alone, I will never buy a Tesla again. Aren't all cars like that?

My Maverick went up in price after I bought it at MRSP. But that was a market anomaly.

There’s usually a drop some but that amount is excessive.

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Post by iterati »

jeremyjh wrote: post #263
iterati wrote: post #231

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My partner and I share a Tesla. It's 'mained' under her account. About 25%-50% of the times I enter the driver's seat - it varies depending on the version it's on - it forgets my driver profile and I have to reconfigure the mirrors and seat. This bug was first reported in 2020 IIRC and never fixed. Never buying another Tesla. Their only advantage is the network of superchargers.

All the other EVs have standardized on their charger now as well though, so their network is available to everyone.

Is it already open or is it opening? Last time I talked to my friend with an EV Porsche, he wasn't yet able to use the superchargers.

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Post by iterati »

janoc wrote: post #262
elif wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird. Is your wife's phone nearby by chance? The only time this happens to me it's because we are both walking to the car together and her phone unlocks it before mine does.

And why would that feature rely on a phone in the first place instead of letting the driver change the profile when getting behind the wheel? Or e.g. use a fingerprint sensor or interior camera (which some of the Teslas do have)? That sounds like some software guy somewhere didn't realize that those seats in the car aren't only for carrying air but that actual people or, gosh, occasional other drivers ride in them to…

It's an option when you set up your phone as a key. If it didn't delete me and just picked the wrong profile, it'd be a great feature.

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Post by pard68 »

cowsandmilk wrote: post #281
jeremyjh wrote: post #265

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A lot are only checking emissions and lights.

States that do safety inspections are generally more thorough. Virginia: https://vsp.virginia.gov/safety-and-enforcement/vehicle-safe... Massachusetts: https://www.mavehiclecheck.com/motorists-basicinfo#Safety Those are the only two states I've lived in. I don't get why so much of the country doesn't do these; it seems the Northeast of the US almost all require periodic safety inspections and the western US does not.

Missouri's inspection is on par with CT and VA from my experience. But that's the only midwest state I have lived in.

If I had a hunch, income plays a part. Flyover states are poor, that means older and more beat up cars. Older cars (out of warranty let's say) are more costly to fix. States have to balance "people need a car to make money" with "people need money to drive safe cars".

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Post by TacticalCoder »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #45
cyberax wrote: post #29

Tesla cars are interesting. The drivetrain and the battery are very reliable and will likely be never need service. But everything else is shitty. The construction quality, random breakages, neverending rattles are annoying. My Tesla spent more time in service than my partner's Toyota, and this includes regular oil changes.

This makes me a feel a lot better about choosing a Toyota over a Tesla back in 2019. The one unforgivable thing about the Toyota is the infotainment system. What a blight on humanity. But otherwise, such a great car. I’ve never really liked cars until this thing. It’s so comfortable, reliable, cheap to maintain, and makes all of our trips like camping and mountain biking such a joy. The Tesla would have been such a h…

> This makes me a feel a lot better about choosing a Toyota over a Tesla back in 2019.

To anyone not into cars I'll give a simple advice: unless you really do a lot of high-speed highway driving (that'd be 80mph+ / 130km/h+, european highways speed), simply buy a Toyota.

I don't think you can go very wrong buying a Toyota.

And this comes as a german cars lover.

The only reason wife traded her Toyota CH-R for a BMW is because we do lots of (european) highway driving and we felt the CH-R was too noisy on the highway (at 80 mph: at 55 mph it's totally fine).

Buy a Toyota, make sure to do the maintenance needed in official Toyota dealership so you can extended the Toyota warranty for as long as possible.

And you're good to go.

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Post by hef19898 »

pard68 wrote: post #247
uxp8u61q wrote: post #211

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Oh, okay, it's just the brakes that are degraded folks, nothing to see here! ...really? One of the core elements of your car, the one that will kill you if it fails, is degraded, and that's not a big deal? What will it take?

It's not "degraded" if it has rust. Brakes rust if you look at them too hard and then they clear up when you brake again.

And some surface rust doesn't fail inspection. For that we clearly are in not-working-properly-and-potentially-a-safety-hazard territory.

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Post by vertnerd »

light_hue_1 wrote: post #269
kossTKR wrote: post #261

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To me teslas are still annoying and dangerous because of a bunch of small things last time i rented one, like buying a great computer, but the screen colours are inverted: 1) No buttons but shit quality touch "areas in places you have to guess" on steering wheel, is straight up dangerous, and incredibly annoying because you can't "get a feel" for anything you have to do, ie. turn lights, wipers etc. 2) No other knobs…

This is like reading a review of an iphone from an older dedicated blackberry user. It can take a bit to get used to advances in technology. The Tesla UI is the best car UI I've ever used. By far. I would never want to go back. 1. There's zero guessing. The steering wheel touch zones are very nicely marked by bumps. I have never put my finger in the wrong spot. 2. You can configure the steering wheel buttons to do so…

We've been using touchscreens daily for about 15 years now, and I am still enraged by the fundamental stupidity of a UI that puts your fingers on top of the thing you're trying to see, with gestures required that you can only guess at.

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Post by kossTKR »

light_hue_1 wrote: post #269
kossTKR wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me teslas are still annoying and dangerous because of a bunch of small things last time i rented one, like buying a great computer, but the screen colours are inverted: 1) No buttons but shit quality touch "areas in places you have to guess" on steering wheel, is straight up dangerous, and incredibly annoying because you can't "get a feel" for anything you have to do, ie. turn lights, wipers etc. 2) No other knobs…

This is like reading a review of an iphone from an older dedicated blackberry user. It can take a bit to get used to advances in technology. The Tesla UI is the best car UI I've ever used. By far. I would never want to go back. 1. There's zero guessing. The steering wheel touch zones are very nicely marked by bumps. I have never put my finger in the wrong spot. 2. You can configure the steering wheel buttons to do so…

I don't buy this progress analogy. I'm from Scandinavia where we have Bang&Olufsen which were early adopters of touch controls, and it never came to sit well with me, knobs are still better.

I also used to produce music and buttons were always better, more tactile, then comes latency which is another modern problem - imagine a touch piano with 40ms delay, not good.

Someone also mentioned militaries changed back from touch to knobs because you'd never get the same speed and "feel".

I'm convinced the human mammal is simply adapted to use our hands with tools and materials that give good solid, instant feedback with lots of tactility, texture, depth and even sound and we'll hopefully realise this in the UX world.

Regarding the "who even looks at a speedometer" is just bizarre to me as a city/provincial driver also in Scandinavia. You need to look there continuously as speed limits more or less constantly change when driving here; from 30, to 50, then 40, then 80, then 30 and going more than 30% over you can get a huge fine and 1/3 strike to get your license revoked, ie. you actually have to glance quite a bit which i guess is why car manufacturers have put speedometers there for 100 years, isn't this a normal part of driving a car?

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