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Post by paulddraper »

dragonwriter wrote: post #293
jdross wrote: post #7

Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602 If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143... It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.…

> Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok Judging this by the method used (counts of uses of top 5 hashtags associated with the conflict) is ludicrously bad as a methodology, because, aside from not looking at sentiment, its prone to being radically wrong if one side is more consistent in hashtag use than the other.

What's the more correct way?

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Post by __loam »

matrix87 wrote: post #198
ARandumGuy wrote: post #177

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Israel and pro-Israel commentators have spent a lot of time and effort trying to ingrain the idea that Israel == Jews. Of course, not all Jews are Israeli, and not all Israelis are Jews. And there are many Jewish Israelis who are critical of the actions of the Israeli government. Of course, a lot of criticism of Israel is rooted in antisemitism. But saying all criticism of Israel is antisemitic deflects legitimate cr…

> But saying all criticism of Israel is antisemitic deflects legitimate criticism Who is saying this? All I've heard are people on one side insisting that people are saying this, sounds like a straw man

Israel spends a lot of money on this in the United States and does have impact on our laws and freedoms.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2019/05/0...

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Post by mmcwilliams »

ristlane wrote: post #131
Boogie_Man wrote: post #38

This article, more than making me feel one way or another about the particular issue at hand (Isreal Hamas) makes me speculate what other unknown, better coordinated, better funded, interest groups might be doing this sort of thing on a massive scale. I'm reminded of the "Come out - we have you surrounded" meme where the mentally insane man is hiding behind a desk with a shotgun screaming "Get out of my head" or "I h…

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It's very unfair to say that the reaction to this is because of "the Jews" and not because a close US ally who has much of the support of its military and intelligence apparatus at its disposal is doing this.

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Post by narag »

Two ideas:

1. It was surprising to me that Hamas believed that filming and publishing their atrocities was a good idea. And more surprising that the response hasn't been a bigger backlash.

2. That makes me think that despite the fact that both parts think that infowar is necessary, the real war is fought on the ground, with weapons, bullets and bombs. Not with protests, declarations and tweets.

Neither Israel nor the Palestinians' supporters in the West give a fuck.

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Post by dontlaugh »

dubcanada wrote: post #242
dontlaugh wrote: post #206

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Hamas will only end along with the Zionist occupation.

How does this work out? Let's say Israel admits defeat and gives Hamas everything it wants. How does this remove Hamas from power?

It doesn’t automatically. But it can’t happen until the occupation ends. And ultimately Hamas gained prominence precisely because of the occupation which destroyed all other groups with any influence.

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Post by CrzyLngPwd »

You know it is in overdrive when the ICC thinks about investigating the IOF for war crimes and Netanyahu says the ICC is anti-Semitic.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/02/06/israel-netanyahu-denounc...

If Israel has its way, even thinking about Gaza as a concentration camp would be anti-Semitic.

"anti-Semitic" has been thrown around so much that it has lost its value. A red balloon, a walrus, or a nice cup of tea can be anti-Semitic nowadays.

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Post by instaeloq »

mastazi wrote: post #42
sertbdfgbnfgsd wrote: post #27

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> Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. > If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views. That platforms prioritize one over the other is just one possible explanation. An alternative explanation is that more people already have those views. And it's dishonest to present one explanation and omit the other. N…

I don't think that parent is suggesting that platforms are actively prioritising one over the other. I think they are saying that the composition of users of these apps skews one way rather than the other due to pre existing stances, and the fact that the apps are not available in some markets. As a result, certain views are prioritised as a byproduct of the fact that all modern social media apps have an algorithm th…

I think your interpretation is wrong.

OP stated: "If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views".

They're explicitly stating that they believe pro-palestinian views are prioritized.

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Post by ReptileMan »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #282
ReptileMan wrote: post #253

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>Criticizing Israel’s response is not anti-Semitism- it is literally just criticizing the response. Okay - then what should be Israel's response? For me what they are doing is the bare minimum with the minimum casualties from the options they have. Hamas is Gaza's government. Hamas has intertwined the civilian and the military infrastructure. Hamas has made sure that the civilian Palestinians will suffer if you targe…

Their response should be to leave the occupied territories, which aren't theirs to begin with, and to recognize a Palestinian state. Israel has held millions of Palestinians under military occupation for more than half a century, and it's way past time that that ended.

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Post by edanm »

nerdponx wrote: post #88
kingkawn wrote: post #58

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This. I have always been very very skeptical of the motives and intentions of various BDS groups over the years. Lots of issues with hypocrisy, propaganda, and double standards. But that doesn't excuse the murder of thousands of civilians in collective retribution for the murder of a few dozen. It's possible for both things to be true: Hamas is bad and committed a heinous act of terrorism, and Israel is committing a…

> But that doesn't excuse the murder of thousands of civilians in collective retribution for the murder of a few dozen.

1,200 Israelis were killed, not "a few dozen". 250 were kidnapped and held hostage, of those about 130 are still being held.

Second, Israel isn't "murdering" civilians in collective retribution. It's fighting a war against a neighboring "government" that has just invaded it, slaughtered thousands of its citizens, and has promised to do it again and again.

Many civilians are dying in this war, which is a horrible tragedy, and is unfortunately true of every war, which is one reason wars are so terrible. But it's hard to say this war isn't justified given the promises of Hamas.

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Post by mandmandam »

ReptileMan wrote: post #253
Scubabear68 wrote: post #91

I have no skin in this game. What I have seen is a confusion (perhaps intentional) between anti-semitism, and protesting Israel’s behavior since the Hamas attack in October. Criticizing Israel’s response is not anti-Semitism- it is literally just criticizing the response.

>Criticizing Israel’s response is not anti-Semitism- it is literally just criticizing the response. Okay - then what should be Israel's response? For me what they are doing is the bare minimum with the minimum casualties from the options they have. Hamas is Gaza's government. Hamas has intertwined the civilian and the military infrastructure. Hamas has made sure that the civilian Palestinians will suffer if you targe…

Your comment is entirely regurgitated Israeli propaganda that has been repeatedly debunked.

I'll be as polite as I can about this, and take it one step at a time.

> Okay - then what should be Israel's response?

The world has been clear about this. Stop killing civilians and treat Palestinians as humans with rights.

> what they are doing is the bare minimum with the minimum casualties from the options they have.

That's not remotely true. Human rights groups and genocide experts around the world are screaming at world leaders to take action. Schools and refugee camps and humanitarian corridors and civil infrastructure and entire residential blocks are being vaporized without warning.

> Hamas is Gaza's government

The last election was in 2006, so this talking point is real stale.

> Hamas has intertwined the civilian and the military infrastructure.

The only proof that has been offered of that has been incredibly shoddily made, as if daring people to believe it.

> Hamas has made sure that the civilian Palestinians will suffer if you target Hamas.

That doesn't excuse war crimes, and it's highly fucked up to think that it does somehow.

> And it was Hamas that made sure with organized rape, torture and atrocities on Oct 7 that it can't be overlooked or forgiven.

The only evidence of organized rape that I've seen presented turned out to be a 10 year old photo of Kurdish women [0]. Torture? No evidence. By atrocities, do you mean the debunked beheaded babies? Or the debunked babies in oven claim? The debunked pregnant women cut open claim?

What Hamas did was atrocious, killing civilians and kidnapping people. So why embellish so devilishly? Only to excuse genocide, and grab land.

> Here is a good rule of thumb - if you are going to stir shit - stick to just killing. Don't livestream torture and rape, so diplomacy will have something to work with.

Again with the claims of "livestreamed torture and rape", which no one has actually seen.

You know who can be documented to have tortured and raped people in the last couple decades? Israel and the US. On many, many occasions. But in your view, at least they're smart enough not to livestream it - they only took photos.

0 - https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1724688009293873502

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